Muley eh, thanks for the advice but next time you want to go off on a random tangent, do so to yiyr own kids and not to me. I don't have an issue with being asked to keep my dog under control and I certainly wouldn't take offence to being asked politely to mind my dog in front of small kids. My disgust was more at the use the term shit machine. How you managed to infer so many things from my previous post amazes me.. Perspective eh.... The irony is almost humorous..