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A conciliatory voice in the Tory party... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36647948

Nice backtracking...

DulwichFox Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I rejected the Labour Party when Tony Blair > sanctioned the invasion of Iraq .. > ..and still tries to justify it today even though > we now know it was based on lies.. The Leave campaign pledged to give the NHS ?350m per week, which they have subsequently backtracked on...ergo a whopping great porky pie. Does this mean you will do likewise?...

*Goes down on bended knee...* Meds, will you marry me?... http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-ireland-irish-passport-britons-urged-to-stop-applying-after-eu-referendum-vote-a7107016.html

No jokes abut looking down in the mouth. His assistant is Lars Lagerback, ex-Sweden manager, who has now played England (I think) 8 times and never lost...

Try and put a positive spin on it Sb. At least you know which way they voted, in 5 years time when it's all gone titsup no one is going to admit to it, whereas you'll have the satisfaction of knowing they did and can keep reminding them...a lot

Quarter-Final fixtures... Thursday 30th June 2016 Poland v Portugal Friday 1st July 2016 Wales v Belgium Saturday 2nd July 2016 Germany v Italy Sunday 3rd July 2016 France v Iceland

Hodgson had a chance to play Kane up front alone in the Turkey friendly when Rooney was tied up with the FA Cup final. But he went for Kane and Vardy, and it went downhill from then with all his chopping and changing. I had to laugh last night before the match when he said he had picked Sterling and Sturridge for width. A right side player on the left, and a left sided player on the right. So what do they both do, keep coming inside on their stronger foot, thus negating any width. Genius. I said earlier that Rashford had played well on the wing for Utd's U21's, he has natural pace and can beat a player. Him and Townsend would've worked much better...

Round of 16 points... Round of 16 table...

England sailed through the qualifiers with a system/formation that picked itself. The problem started when there was a clamour for him to pick Kane and Vardy, thus the system was changed to accommodate them. The Italians play with a well drilled system, not necessarily the best 11 players at their disposal. We've always fallen in the trap of picking the best individuals rather than a team that gels. Remember trying to play Gerrard, Lampard and Scholes together, it didn't work, Scholes arguably the best midfielder of his generation ended up on the left wing. Hodgson being a natural ditherer, exacerbated the problem...

???? Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > COME ON TIM! :) Just like seeing the first swallow of summer....

Don't blame Jah, he's just following the new Brexit curriculum for maths...

Otta Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > At least we can take some solace in Mail and Sun > readers finally realizing they've been sold a > massive load of shite by their chosen > "news"papers. > > http://indy100.independent.co.uk/article/the-mail- > has-explained-what-brexit-means-and-its-readers-se > em-shocked--Z1772TI4aNW > > http://indy100.independent.co.uk/article/the-sun-h > as-also-got-around-to-telling-its-readers-what-bre > xit-will-mean-and-they-are-not-happy--WySvafrAVZ You couldn't make it up... http://www.theguardian.com/media/mediamonkeyblog/2016/jun/27/regrets-ive-had-a-few-kelvin-mackenzie-and-the-great-brexit-u-turn

Wow, that is a lot of spondoolicks. When Utd were interested in him last season it was ?20-25m. Saw you coming Ots...

Otta Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > You are right that this is not a legally binding > referendum, and I hope the government choose to > never pull the trigger. But calls for a second > referendum are no better than "best 2 out of 3" > from a losing side. I'm a strong Remainer and not in favour of a second referendum either, but I wasn't in favour of a referendum in the first place. You can't seriously govern a country with X-factor style votes like this. The bigger picture needs to be looked at. People have had plenty of opportunity to vote to leave the EU by voting UKIP, but they haven't because their economic policy as a whole doesn't add up. Put the economics to one side, ignore the consequences, add a few sexy soundbites like ?350m a week to the NHS, and suddenly leaving the EU will look like a good thing to a lot of people. So what happens next? There doesn't appear to be a plan in place by the Leave campaign. Cameron has played a blinder by saying he intends to resign. He's obviously not going to press the Article 50 button, and what Tory wants to be responsible for the break-up of the Union, which will happen if we leave. Instead that will now be left to his successor, all in all a poisoned chalice. As the referendum was only 'advisory', rather than anything legally binding, it might therefore have to be passed in Parliament first, although i believe that's not legally binding either. As there's a strong majority of pro-EU MPs across all parties, it wouldn't get approved. That's obviously not going to go down well with the Brexiters. I think the sensible and fairest thing to do is therefore have a general election, especially as the Tories will have a new leader. I've never felt it's right that when a PM resigns mid-term that someone else should take over. Instead of the EU being a single, simplistic issue of remain or leave, let's look at it properly in the context of politics as a whole. If an anti-EU party wins an election, then fair enough, they will have been elected on a proper mandate and hopefully have a clear plan to leave the EU. Whatever happens, it's clear we have a very divided country, which isn't good. Whoever wins, the other side's issues have to be addressed and not simply ignored. If there's anything good to come out of this sorry mess it's that people are re-engaging with politics again. It was a vacuum of indifference and political apathy that brought about this mess in the first place...

No. It's part of the ongoing manoeuvering by all political parties ahead of an expected general election. So no need to get unsettled, distinctly or otherwise...

Jules-and-Boo Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > and that's bad? Well I wouldn't call it good...

LondonMix Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I know. Some senior Brexitors have already > distanced themselves from the idea of reducing > immigration (its been less than 72 hours). If > they really continue down this bait and switch > strategy I worry what it will do to the country. > There is now a galvanised hardcore > anti-immigration population in the UK. If they > believe the Tory party has wilfully deceived them > what will that give rise too. Its an incredibly > dangerous game... That's the danger of single issue referendums, by their very nature they are too simplistic, narrow minded. At the last election there was only one clear anti-immigration party (ignoring the likes of the BNP etc), and that was UKIP. They only got around 4m votes. If there was an election tomorrow they wouldn't win it because at elections people take on board the bigger picture. The referendum looked at things in isolation, so is it any wonder we got an isolationist response. I believe the US doesn't have national referendums, I can see why now...

I think NewGirl was referring to the other members of the shadow cabinet who have since resigned after Benn was sacked...

No more prancing, preening foreign footballers falling over and feigning injury at the merest touch. No more TV programmes like ''A Place n the Sun''. Instead it'll be ''A Wet Weekend in Skeggy or Margs'', depending on which side of Watford Gap you live...

And on the subject of Scotland, just breaking... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-36633244

I saw a couple of old biddys being interviewed on the news last night, when asked why they voted to leave, they replied along the lines of... ''We're old enough to remember the old days, we don't like being bossed about'' Perhaps the next referendum should be whether or not we introduce euthanasia...

Jah Lush Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Not so fast - Who will have the balls to trigger > Article 50? That might explain why on referendum night before results even came in, a group of Tory Brexiters were asking Cameron to stay on as PM if Brexit won, for so called 'stability'. As well as pulling out of the EU, a leave vote also means the break up of the Union. What Tory (don't forget it's officially the Conservative and Unionist Party) wants that on their hands as well?...

???? Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > There's going to be an election - I can't see how > it's avoidable Agree Quids. All the main parties now seem to to be manoeuvering towards that. The Tories will definitely have a new leader by then, and hopefully Labour too. I can't see any Tory pressing the button until they have won an election with Brexit in their manifesto, and therefore have a clear mandate to do so...

Agree shaunag. The sight of Brexiters waving their Union Jacks will come back to haunt them should we stay out of the EU long term. It was a vote to break up the Union...