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Anyway, back to betting Frankel the horse this year...maybe. Collected on Man city, have a small bet on Chelsea at 4.2 on Betfair and still holding on to my even more riduiculous Denmark bet for the Euros (hoping to trade - but didn't forsee the group they'd draw!)

Any viewers yet woodrot?

play tournaments online RD, not much to lose other than buy in, quite a lot of fun and less regulars with HUDS. Don't play ring games (ie just cash games0 that's where there's more regs. Sit'n'go tournamnts online are fun and cheap to enter then you get a fair bit of play and sometimes win or cash. To be honest most players and certainly beginners prefer tournaments, I just tend to play cash games more.

Game Changer and sweet spot can go and do one right now as far as I'm concerned

After all that my mum's not well (although nothung serious) and after a morning of chasing I HAVE a ticket. COME ON YOU IRONS :)-D

Nice one MM - I've got JJ (?) in the US event as apparently he knows the course very well and was tipped as an EW at 150! (small bet) Backk to poker. Bluffing - RD, most recreational players don't think about opponents cards, don't notice what opponents are doing and are 'calling stations' means they will hang on to any piece of the flop they've hit or a pair in their own hands by calling any riases. There's an old adage in Poker "You can't bluff a calling station". People have to be good enough players to be bluffed off a pot - mots recreational players arent. With decent players, I'd bluff a bit - but it's player dependent and other dynamics - from late position and occasionally if I'm acting firts but normally these are semi-bluffes ie I've got some 'outs' if i'm called, like a draw to a flush or something. I'd also almost always continuation bet if i've rasied pre-flop and had a caller and then don't hit a flop, I'll bet 1/2 the pot and you pick these up alot. You're only wise bluffing against one opponent too. Against players you play with a lot you have to play some crap starting hands too to 'balance your range' which means keeping them guessing in laymens terms. This is especially true in onlone ring games where all the serious player have HUDs on display... so they have your stats in hands they've played agints with you live on the table next to your avatar, using programmes such as Holde'em manager. THIS IS WHY AMATUERS SHOULD NEVER PLAY ONLINE RING GAMES you are playing against players who are better than you and have datamining programms that gives them a massive advantage over fish let alone their superior playing skills. Scary eh. I've a HUD and after a few hands you get a feel for people's ranges and whether bluffs will work, if you can steal their blinds, if they'll fold to a continuation bet etc etc If some only plays 5% of hands for instance you are talking top pairs and AK! if they bet I stay away unless I'm strong! If a 5% players in the big blind I'll raise with anything from the small blind as I'm picking up the blinds 95% of the time! ;-) Bluffing is not worth it generally in amateur games.

El Pibe, I'd rather be a few miles further north :'( Having said that, as I didn't watch most of the 2nd half of 2006 after Konchesky had scored - just stared at the concrete on the Millenium Stadiums floor - then maybe crickets better for someone of my nervous disposition. COYI Come on England :))

The games ones - music and word The quiet room (RIP)

15 posts and no mention of Bromley yet?

I had a ticket. I have a mum. She LOVES cricket. She got tickets for Lord's on Saturday. She's no-one to go with. I am a GOOD son. I am also gutted but at least I'm old enough to have seen the Hammers at Wembley in the past and I can't let down me mum. :'(

Anyway, good luck. Let us know how you ge on. With the range of cards I've given you you should be playing about one hand in seven, that's pretty standard tight play.

You've got as much chance of getting AA as any other 2 card combination. Stick to the premiums if you're a begiiner, honest advice, you probably won't take it, that's fine but then you're gambling with a load of other gamblers, if you wait for the decent hands and play them aggressiveky you're far far more likely to win against amatuers...which was your original request, If you want to have fun play a load of crap hands and you'll get lucky sometimes other times not, fun but not good poker. I think 66s are the sort of hands that get recreational players in difficulty which is why I recommended not playing them to you, and never in early position or to a raise. Personally I'd play 6s with a riase from late position and then hope to hit a set to trap someon ewith a premium hand or call an early raise maybe but I do know what I'm doing and am well caable of folding a pair of aces if the board and betting tells me to, I'm aware I'm being patronising but most occasional players say "hell I've a pair of 66s so I'm not folding" (let alone Aces or Kings!!), that's why its easy to take money of the 'fish* Play tight and aggressive and you'll beat your amateurs 75% of the time and that's very positive EV :) *poker slang for average recreational players who don't understanfd the maths, pot odds, betting patrterns etc Slow playing aces being a perfect signpost to a fish for eg :)) I'd only ever slow play aces in the small blind to a hyper aggressive fish in the big blind if everyone else had folded.

PS plus make people pay for their draws - if there's 2 haerst on aboard and you've the nuts on that board (say 3 of a kind) and you think someone's chasing a heart flush charge him for drawing if you don't raise he'll just stay in and maybe hit. Statsiticaslly he's gonn get that haert about 1/3 so charge him more than 3 times his bet always, simple maths and in EV terms a winning play. Rise when strong, fold when weak.

Alan Medic Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > > Unless I've misunderstood I thought you implied > that KQ was a decent hand to begin with? > > If you do have a good hand is there nothing to be > said for not overplaying it by betting too much > and scaring off the others? AM - I'm confusing you with pre and post Flop. You have KQ and raise from late position, one caller. Flop is say 8, 4,3 and two clubs, your caller raises half the pot - get out, you didn't hit the flop and don't think "KQs a good hand" it's not anymore Scaring off the others is with all respect complete amateur thinking. You raise when strong and to ISOLATE....sometimes everyone folds, pick up theb linds and move on but often or not you'll get one caller and that's what you want just one. I'll illustrate You pick up AA and just call from Early position fish 1 calls to with J 3 Suiteds cos "They are suited man", Fish 2 calls with K 10 or some random rubbish like that, Flop comes up K J 3. The awful J 3's got you dominated and he shouldn't be in the pot you lkert him limp inou'd have the K 10 in a position to take all his chips. With a load of averge players they will be in with all sorts of crap unless you illiminate the weak hands and then post-flop you just don't know where you stand against fishy rubbish hands. If you raise and get called you have some information and cabn start putting your opponent on some sort of hand. Riase again on flop and learn more etc Premium hands play well heads up and poorer multi-pots. Statistical and priobability FACT and standrad Game Theory run on multi-models. Believe me. Simple ex

Making it more dependant would be a bad thing. ...er...have I said build a multi-storey? People will come to the area, CPZ or no. We have buses AND feet. see my original argument against this point of MPs You're the one doing the piling in and are now going "what? me guv?"

No, Kennedy was killed by a lone marksman with a shot that came from the book depository, Neil Armstrong is one of 12 men to walk on the Moon and the Twin Towers collapsed because two bastards flew loaded jets into them. Now move along... *shamelessly nicked from elsewhere but made me chortle

StraferJack Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Plus you are banging on about cpz or parking > restrictions as if I'm FOR them. I have made no > such argument. Any pro cpz thread in the past I > have been against. Check them Er, what? I'm scratching my head totally bemused....So why the big tirade against my original post for attacking them?

I'm not upset just gobsmasked at your and othera naievety that will destroy the very thing you say you cherish round here Ask the local independents Straefer, come on you know what they are saying already. They are the ones for whom a 10% decline in footfall may push them and their livelihoods over the edge. What about Walworth Road?Peckham as a shopping area, certainly monocultured by parking restrictions than it used to be. Greenwich - they killed the market with parking restrictions and are now building a hotel/shopping complex (mmm, that'll be full of independents) opposite Cafe Rouge. Stiil, the parking fess and business rates are probably a nice earner for Greenwich Council so sod fucking up what used to be a lively, eclectic independent treasure. I know you sooooooooooooo don't want it to be but many of your inner city contempories, including some who read the Guardian, and are foodies, and not horrible plebby oiks are just a tad more attached to their cars than you believe (*hope) Over 40% of households in Newham don't have a car so you're a bit assumptive about East Ham and EVERYONE. RE William Rose, yes of cousre it was. Moved dfrom an area that was anti-car driendly to one that wasn't....yet. You idealists will wreck the fooking world given time

William Rose moved here because the congestion charge meant that they were worried their loyal customer base wouldn't drive to Kensington anymore FACT The independent reatilaers on LL lane and its environs are overwhemingly against CPZ - and they work in a highly competitive business bloody hard against the high street chains FACT The traffic levels on my road (one off North Cross and LL) are massively inflated on Saturdays so people are coming in by car Fact Believe me, half the Village, half of SE24 and half of SE5 won't bother coming down here on a Saturday if they can't park - painful for you to believe that people are so heartlessly selfish as I'm sure it is. You really think SE22 residents keep the whole Kaboodle going because you are worthy enough not to drive a car as you read they are bad things in The Guardian? lol

I just read that again.........F*ck me you've a high opinion of yourself

Where are all the car parks on the Walworth Road then SJ? Or Greenwich? And the one in Peckham was there yaers before they did the CPZ which killed off many shops in Rye Lane. I would argue that one of the reasons for its competitive success is the worthies that quids do derides. It hasn't built any car parks in the last 20 years but has thrived. Because the people who have moved here have been the worthies he so decries Guardian readers in unbelievably actually call that Gobsmakingly smug about themselves shocker...I am not worthy. You are a saint and saviour of the world. Meanwhile, back in the real world.........

- 1-2 Fresh chill Loads of fresh basil Garlic Mozzarella Tin of Toms Olive oil Penne pasta Heat oil and add chillis, crushing with a wooden spoon to extract heat then add garlic, when golden add tin of toms. Add about 1/3rd of Basil leaves and season to tase and simmer to reduce. Cook penne. Add sauce to Penne wwith rest of roughly ripped Basil leaves, stir. Take off heat and Add torn off lumps of Mozzarella and put on lid and leave for 4 mins (off heat!). Serve. My favourite meal bar none. soooo cheap and easy too! PS Heard a rumour that the posher parts of SE22 are not keen on Scots singing in gardens at 3am :))

er no. Life's a bit too short and I don't expect feedbak on all posts/advice/suggestions. Or give it always.

MP you're wrong about CPZ. Whilst the smug admirable will walk or even jumpp on a bus and find it impossible to believe many people from SE21, Se24 and Se23 just won't bother popping down to LL if they can't park that easily anymore, it's not that much of a draw and our local independents struggling on thin margins can't survive on SE22s fit, worthy and mobile alone. Peckahm and Walworth Road are relatively recent shopping areas they used to be more socially (and retail) diverse before teh CPZs abd parking nazi's puty off the significant 'lazy' indifferents The 17 parking spaces is a stupid Red Herring agreed. I live right by both Nortjcross and although it;'s bit hectic Saturday lunch I can always park at least one street away,

The Drawing Room? Play Room's far better.... as it's been one for ages