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...even then they were crap, and playing to about 12,000. And, West Ham had as many thugs (and no doubt as many racists) but at least our firm wasn't largely Combat 18. Horrible lot then, horrible lot now, especially with all the Johhny Come lately's added to the nazis. Hate them - more than Spurs and the Wall but don't tell Jah ;-) I'll be cheering Bayern - uniqely as I have always supported the other English teams in the Champions League Final.

oh well. Saints 2-0 up already :-S

Did everyone make it home OK? I heard a rumour last night that one particularly dim member of the CC couldn't remember his way home recently.....:-S

Bob 'the bloody' Builder

COME ON YOU IRONS Let's finish positively....and......you never know!

That was the first FA Cup Final I remember but wierdly I only remember the Replay!

...like, er. Chelsea say?

What he says not who he is. El Pibe :) There's a lot of truth in it generally and in the case of NW3 specifically....evil bankers that they were.

...better put than me here

..or have a pond (*insert pondlife joke here)

Otta - wander down the Barking Road (westwards from UP) and there is a bar called "The Village" on the left by the petrol station. Never has a place been so badly named as it's a sh!thole, on the Braking Road and mainly full of ex-ICF faces ...and no, they don't do decent burgers

I think Hunt looks more dangerous to Cameron out of the Cabinet (or should I say firing line!) than in it, so he'll stay...for a bit. He should go - either on this being true or even if it's not he's not been on top of his brief/advisors). Poloticians - They never, ever , ever fail to disappoint, do they?

The problem with US law is that DAs or the DoJ use plea baragaining as leverage to get convictions, even of the innocent...there is much competition in US 'justice' and any prosecutor needs to get results. They have about an 80% conviction rate, weay, way above any other liberal democracy. They bring enpormous pressure on their victims and threats of a long/indefinite incarceration plus hugely costly trial (which I think under thir system you don't get money back if found innocent) or plead guilty and get a far reduced sentence. It's really only the megar rich that can afford to take this on, it's trade off of a few years vs 20+ and bankruptcy. I knew one of the Nat West Three and work in an industry (online gaming) where the pressure on individuals has led to plea baragians from people who really believe they were innocent against charges bought to them and advised they might have a good case BUT it's a massive gamble. Almost nothing to do with justice.

Market Research is keen on Psychology degrees

Mick, where did I say they were all rich???? Just saying it's all a bit mawkish sentimentality as they've all been gone a long, long time. Are there really huge swathes of Southampton that it's still raw with? My grandad was in Silverrtown when a massive bomb hit a shelter in 1940, the 'official' figures were 600 mainly school kids and women, you don't meet hardly anyone who was effected by this nowadays. It's all a bit ancient history...unless we want to 'emote' about this stuff for ever. A minutes silence for the Titanic? Behave. Nearly twice as many, and mainly kids, went dowm with the Luithisaina 3 years later...don't hear much about that. Just a bit of fake sentimentality in my book. Understand the interest for various reasons but the sentimantality MEH

"Go by train, go by car, lose 1-0 at QPR" :))

PS twice as many people died on our roads last year

Nope DJKQ. I'm with Woody on this. It's not like the Somme or any WW1 remembrance enourmous, selfless sacrifice. Just a bunch of randoms on a big boat that hit an iceberg and didn't have enough lifebots - tragic for them and interesting on an 'intellectual' level. The mawkish Diana like sense of grief that some people (those tools on the boat that went to lay wreaths!) have for this when really, really, really there must be no-one in the world left who remembers anyone on it is a bit beyond me. The wall to wall coverage was ridiculous too. Woodrot I salute your thread and others joined in a bit too.

:)) Or maybe the freezed middle

Fuschia, Fellbrigg

Just confirmed with Southwark you can refuse and it doesn't get you off the waiting list for your choices

My missus told we had to refuse - which contradicts both 'sense' and advice on here. Coiuncillors, legal and 'other plans' my next point of call

Thanks for the advice - with some other crap we've had recently regarding school allocation/places I'm hardly enamoured with the whole kaboodle, although I do appreciate they are under pressure. Will check with MOH what we've done but hoping we haven't refused now! Thanks again for your advice and support. Slightly SLIGHTLY disenhartening to be one of the 'only 6%' who didn't get a school on their list but the one we've been given is completley impractical in opposite distances from our eldests school Grrrrrrrrrrr (i have heard, and am hoping, it tends to get sorted in the wash)

We didn't get ANY on our list. Refusing place offered miles away obviously

"Demand for housing in London (private and council) outstrips supply..." So what's new? This has been the situation for centuries and will continue in all urban centres. Rubbish silver fox - as a student you could pick up hard to let flats from the councils in London the early 1980s and the poulation was in decline and some other Urban centres are dying and diminishing in popultion and full of empty houses - Detroit being an obvious global example, but plenty of inner city UK emptying and boarding up