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Hugenot trying to pick a fight which no longer exists except in the minds of a few....which ironically is what he accuses 'them' of (who ever they are, it's all vague and waffly). You're about 10 years out of date on this...minimum. Not your greatest hour Huge.

Will they get out their vile jelly?

Mick Mac Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Ancelotti sacking predictable and some would say > justified in the circumstances. Very poor season > for Chelsea Miffed about the ton you had on them Mick?

Trolls gonna troll

Welcome KPC - given the Irons and Blues on the forum this may be more active than the glory boys/girls on the Football Focus one next year Gutted for you, genuinely a lot of bad luck, injuries and i'd rather Wigan, Blackburn or Wolves had joined us next year....and not just 'cos I think your a better team and more likely to go back up ;-)

Stella

There is a cricket thread somewhere - PGC will know where it is

Trolls gonna troll

I meant Europhobe You pick on the bigoted argument Huge not the ones based in some truth Try Political Culture first please...as my earlier point.

Strafer Personally, I think we're just about ok with what we've now

Mockney your post is a small example of my previous point - history's not perfect to act like I'm some sort of Jeremy Clarkson anti-Mexican racists for having a different view to you kind of shows my point a bit. Social darwinism is a bit strong to level against someoone who diasgreed with you...a smeer even. My point , to be clear, on my original post was that the main reason that Texas joined the US - and it was an independent republic for some time - was for its security. Maybe I should have said against previous mexican aggression, or potential mexican aggression but shhhheseeesh. Actually the Mexican govt invited and incentivised settlers from the US to come in and help quell the Comanches, then a move away from federailism towards centralism sparked a revolt and the Alamo etc. The US was not involved.

Sorry? Who?

I was referring to traditional arguments NOT this thread. Though I've seen previous go down that route. Actually I nearly pointed in my post out that even in the usual suspects (media - no names, usual suspects) have recently subdued a bit because enough people in general and in other bits of the media said and have pointed out that to question the european project and it's potential downfalls and 'dangers' didn't make you A) member of the Tea party B) a Daily Mail reading colonel from Tunbridge Wells c) a member of UKIP/BNP D) someone who 'never ate that foreigh muck' Shite, even poeople who have lived in europe and speak foreighn languages, maybe had european partners/friends and families question it. Come on Strafer . From Same old Tory Cuts to this stuff there are a large number of 'progressives' who don't really want to debate ...seriously, made me question my views a while back and contributed to them shifting...a bit, not as far as you think. Not, on the whole on here from the sensible I'd add. Yes I ham it up a bit but I like to give you lot some of your own medecine ;-)

Can you do one for Woof MTD too? He's up to his neck in Chinese.

The colonists of most of Mexican Texas were from the US states. They colonised and developed huge areas of land and fought agaibnst the native americans and then an increasing dicatatorial Mexico tried to cghange their propert rights leading to war and the Alamo. The new state of Texas later joined the union largely for protection.....that was my point.

Actually what I notice is how aggresseive, sneering and, and down right untrue has been the langauage from pro-europeans against anyone who dared question it. "little englander" "Europphile" etc etc As I said before, one of the things that intiially started me questioning my own 'liberalism' was the lack of debate and labelling and smearing of those that questioned the left's moral certainty.

You not seen the Alamo mockers?

Thanks for grabbing that from your favourites mockers ;-)

The US example is a bit hackneyed, not comparable and over used by those in favour as a trot out example - 19th century then largely agricultural based series of miniscule population states surrounded by the British Empire on one side and an agressive Mexico down south, with no real history or long evolved political culture...and even then it still ended up with a horrific and bloody Civil War. Id drop it pro-Euros.

Luckily for MM and me the tide is with us at the moment....accross Europe. Personally, I think we're just about ok with what we've now (with its imperfections as you say Strafer) but when, and by and large it was bureacrats, were trying to drive it to something more of a political union largely against the will of the majority of the people, in even the traditionally pro Countries, i was very uncomfortable. Economically the Euro will fail - or lose members or become two tiered. The Eurotrading zone makes sense. Politically, the difference in political cultures between let's say Italy, the UK and France are, just between those three IMMENSE. Just 3 easy examples being attitudes to bureacracy, elites and political, ahem, 'patronage' within those three state..... let alone shadier areas such as corruption. Sell me anything further than where we are now in terms other than vague idealistic ..."You know, nations are defunct, we want a global federation"

I used to read Greene alot, when I used to read :( The list is both american and largely first half of the last century

On holiday I used to take One Poker Book One propa classic One more contempary 'right' sort of book, say Birdsong or other such tedium (the bit in the attic, now that IS good) and one sh1te book ....That was before kids I now just take a copy of No Logo in case there's no paper in the bog

MrBen Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Moos, Quidsy, Huge, *Bob*, Mockers, Snorky and er > Taper all giving it good. > > I've not felt quite like this since Pink Floyd > reformed for Live 8. Grown men wept. And newbies like Strafer acting with the confidence of an old veteran.... A kind of John Bonham's son at the Led Zep reunion :-S

She's doing more of the general Cbeebies presenting too now....I must say I'm in Mockney's gang on this too. Er, not the reason I enquired for how to get on the show I hasten to add.

Yup. It's a laxative.