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...bet you're tapping your feet Honnie

er, I didn't label the unions in the negative I mentioned them once. Here: " I don't actually believe that Labour could have possibly delivered them given it's heritage and union backing " That's all I said. So stop making shite up. I'm still waiting for you to explain how spending 30% above your income won't lead to bankruptcy by the way? I think you're at best a bit paranoia, certainly not interested in actual debating, rather just porovocitive insults and like soooo many others make assumptions about what people based on what you assume are their politics rather than bothering to actually see what they are are saying. Can we have a reasonable debate? Can you stop avoiding answering points that have been put to you reasonably, insulting and saying people have said things they haven't? I'm not holding my breathe, if you want to arse about I'm quite happy to do so in the Lounge.

Keef and Sean both did

I think Brotherhood of Man and Bucks Fizz would disagree there Loz, and Sandie Shaw won it with a classic (er, didn't she?)

the last time i went was Di Canio's first game...came on as sub (think it was Palace but Could have been Wimbledon?) Was Selhurst Park though.

so, Public spending 30% above receipt - how does that not lead to bankruptcy? Please answer or is the 30% expenditure above income not a fact? That was a fact. The rest of my post was my largely opinion, although I have voted Labour 80% of the time, Balls/Cooper, Harman and her bloke, do live in the same house, there are about 22 million households in the UK the Millibands are brothers. Stuff aboaut hypocracy etc was my opinion, that's what happens on forums...as all of your posts have been opinion so plese try and understand the difference and stop being so foooking rude. PS calling everyone who you disagree with a puppet of Murdoch is a tedious old smear What do you want me to call the 'unions' as "I like to call them" instead of, urm, er, the Unions? Please let me know. You're confusing insulting people with debate. If you want a debate come back with some points to argue with not rants about something I haven't even mentioned. Otherwise bore off I can do without patronsing insults from shouty people like you. Dismissing all Liberal votes as "Big Brother" votes sounds a bit of a student insult....

it would stop bumping up 99s to score your own 100

an epic 10,000

Are yours standing up then Moos?

Post modern irony and of course a calender event in many gay households, means SE22 will be watching ;-)

...and another debt denialist, how does having spend at 30% above your income not lead to bankruptcy in the long term? Please explain......Talking of mantras "Teachers, Police, healthworkers" here we go again. I'd like some facts rather than 'that's rubbish', 'they're different' etc..

Jedward, 7/1...you know you want to

I'm worried about the depth and speed of the Tories cuts (and, from some of them, the ideological glee that surrounds what are painful necessities is unpleasant) but I think they are directionally necceessarily. I don't actually believe that Labour could have possibly delivered them given it's heritage and union backing and from too many of its members economic luddism, so, thankfully for all of us, we have a Coalition. It's far, far, far better than the fate of Greece, Ireland and Portugal. As someone who has voted Labour for 80% of the elections I've voted in (including 3 times for Old Labour) they need people like me to be voting for them again. For me that means - accepting that the state and state spending needs reform - stopp acting like an opposition and give us some real policies/ideology - ditch Ed, as out of his depth as Avram Grant I think the Labour Party and the Left in general have failed to understand or put a vision of what 21st Century Britain in a global economy needs to be like. I think the Tories have tried, even though I don't agree with all of it. Labour look the dinosaurs at the moment. The pathetic, class driven drivel propoganda from a bunch of higlhy priveliged establishment left wingers - Harman (Lords daughter); Millibands, the middle class North London establishment left personified - including a ?1.5 million hosue in Primrose Hill left to them in trust (avoiding pesky inherithance tax - nice move Marxists daddy) ; Mandelson...all priveloged elites, drives me nuts. It's unpleasant paint them all as toffs that's the lowest common denominator spirit. Labour MPS actually have a far narrower field of backgrounds than the Tories - and hardly any proper old worker lefties left at all. Shit the Harperson and Balls/Cooper households even have 2 MPs each which given that there are 22 Million Households in the UK strikes me as being somewhat elistis and no platform to lecture us on elitism and privelige...at least the Milliband brothers don't talk nowadays.... Hypocrites, visionless, elitist and very unrepresentative....I'd rather vote Tory at the moment....and, I actually quite like Cameron. I genuienly think he's going to send his kids to local state schools too a great meassage but also one that makes me chortle. How Abbot and Harman can even look at themselves in the mirror before going out each morning to lecture and busybody the plebs. I still generally prefer the company of Labour voters than the tory ones, with some exceptions...shit, my missus even reads the Guardian

I'd like Cleopatra.

Surrey! Essex has grammar schools too...

Good article Mockney and too true. Did anyone read the article by Lee Dixon in the Indie where he went to A West Ham training session and said what an utter shambles it was? Avram Grant is a man functioning way, way way above his ability at West Ham let alone Chelsea. It will be one of football's mysteries how he ever got where he did. Anyway, I fancy an outing to Palace next season if you're up for it M?

All you need now is a Man U jesters hat and you're sorted Laddy M

... the average price of a semi in cheam is ?296k according to Property finder, I'm astounded

I was always more of an Asterix fella

Yup, the point is we know the tories are nasty, just a bit of a laff pretending that the virtous progressives aren't especially when they start to lose the argument

Avoid Blackwell tunnell like the plague Rotherhithe - first left that loops you onto Limehouse link, then follow this onto A13 - M25 or further out and cross country, most days your sgainst the traffic (except M25 bit)

Actually, what this shows is the deep conservatism of both the left and right. And the growing unpleasantness of the left and its media. Nick Clegg saw a chance to break the mold in British politics and got a referendum on changing the voting system for forming a coalition. That's a major major achievement. It failed (see my first point). Nick Clegg got the Liberals in power for the first time in nearly a century - they had to go back on some of their manifesto commitments cos hey poeple they are a minority in the coalition, but clearly a significant proportion of their voters actually didn't really want to ever be in govt (see my first point) They have watered down many tory reforms. They have already raised and got a coalition agreement to continue to raise the tax threshold significantly to take hard working poor workers out of income tax. a vitally needed reform to reward work. Nick Clegg and his colleages have seen the books and completley understood how urgently (and really urgently) some sort of firm majority government was needed to avert a Sterling crisis, they've had no thanks from the screaming defeceit deniers of the left, the political opportunists in Labour (who tend to be those that also know how neccessary the cuts are and are really jolly glad they don't have to carry the can for the mess Gordon left the country in). I and anyone who cares about the future prosperity of this country should than the Liberal democrats for that. He has been subject to a barrage of press hatred and propognada from the usual suspects. Seripously, look at all the bile and and unwillingness toi debate in British politics (including on here), mainly the lovely left. I am voting for them in both the local and almost certainly the next election, including for him, a politician just trying to do what he thinks best and who doesn't deserve the villification and hatred poured on him. History will judge him better than the shrieking harridans of the so called 'progressive' left.

*Congrats 72 year old ex-plumber from Romford on his sterling work with the ladies*

'Like' if you must, but even then I'm worried that we'd end up with a forum full of smart-alec one-liners and little cliques of people blowing smoke up each others' behinds. aghhhh, the good old days

if you can get a 3-4 bedroomed house (forget detached) within half an hour of London in a village/town (and I presume you're not counting the likes of Slough for instance in that description) outside of a few 'orrible places (see Slough) or even in them I'd be astonished.