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Keef, Sean, Jah...presumably that's it....for now

Jah, I do!

You can call up anyone. Got your bat oiled Brendan? We could do with a Saffa in the team.

He was ok at West Ham Sean and really impressed at Southampton raher than rubbish - only Charlton was a disaster, he looked to have the potential of a very good manager in my opinion but for whatever reasons, he's not fullfilled that. I'd certainly be scratching my head if I was a Geordie agreed.

I think Warne's got too much to lose. He's a mega star in OZ with loads of TV work etc etc who went out on a high note. Come back, older, not match sharp into a very mediocre team....long shot at glory he's already got>

Fearless Jah, Fearless...like Andy King in his pomp (playing as I'm sure you'll know not farting around on Sky's graphics)

Pardew confirmed...I wonder wether he loses the dressing room here for the, er, less conventional way he alledgedly (on tinternet must be true) did at West Ham and Southampton. *SLAP INJUNCTION

*awaits pedant

I'm Fooked If I Know

I vaguely remeber Jon Peel just said something like "this is a terrible day with terrible news, I'm not going to do anything other than play this* and then it's a normal show" *All you need is Love

IFIIK?

Jeremy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Going back to the original point... it's > disingenuous to say that the left were not > interested in serious debate, when many on the > right in the anti-Euro camp were putting forward > silly arguments about national identity and > suchlike. Surely you maen the Labour Party pre 1987 Jeremy? Before they lost the economic answer so started looking for another airy principle...oohh Europeanism ;-)

lol...yup unlike Greeces, Portugals, Spains, Irealands, and Italys Bung in all the apostrophes

pc 'liberal' bias please Mockers

I took it to mean that Hari has a set of batteries by which he measures the validity of people's claims and beliefs based on how near they are to his own politics - screeching, biley, lefty misinformation mostly in his case obviously edited for People's in the wrong place

but now, years later, one of the women who came forward, Kathleen Willey, has earned nothing from her allegations, remains a left-wing Democrat, and seems to have a very plausible case.

...so in Jonathon Hari's eyes claims of rape by someone who is a democrat are therfeore some how more valid than if that woman were a Republican? Now that's putrid prejudice, from someone who now doubt thinks of himself as a liberal. It's the frankly juvenile one side or the other in the politics of too many on the left that is deeply illiberal which was my original, and genuine Mockney, point about 'debating' certin issues with many 'liberal' left wingers.

Come on Sean, this is absolutely fooking hysterical trying to have it both ways, which, if your read my post was the point not the sentiment of the article itself: Of course, it is possible Julian Assange did this good, noble thing, and is also a rapist. I do not believe in reflexively dismissing rape claims by any woman, in any circumstances. Bill Clinton was the victim of a right-wing smear campaign and many of us dismissed the allegations of sexual assault against him ? but now, years later, one of the women who came forward, Kathleen Willey, has earned nothing from her allegations, remains a left-wing Democrat, and seems to have a very plausible case. Here?s what we know. There is a long history of the CIA viciously smearing people who dare to cross the US state machinery. There is a strong chance the claims against Assange is another case of it. But there is also a long history of otherwise admirable men turning out to be rapists, and there?s a chance this is another case of it. This should be tested in a court of law ? and the trial should be watched very careful to make sure it?s not being rigged by bribes or threats. Ooh, I sooo want him to be a goody but, oh, the sisters, mmm must cover that - laughable.

Personally, I consider myself very much a liberal....but not a 'liberal' as the label has generelly been stolen by those from a far more statist and illiberal tradition which was exposed as a failure about 20 years ago (hint: S****lism)

Yup and thank Ed Balls too. That's when he was still being a highly competent and effective chancellor...then he lost it in hubris and hype.

Sod the Champions League, The Littlewoods Cup is where it's at

?It won?t work, you can?t marry up sovereign states with different political, economic and, er, cough ?accounting practices' together under one set of monetary rules.? ?The differences in economic cycles between various states means a one size fits all interest rate policy is extremely economically risky? ?Ultimately, it will mean the loss of sovereignty for most of its members and Germany ruling the roost? And so it came to pass. Next time will ?liberal? idealsists and worthy politicians please join in an actual debate rather than insult those who pose legitimate questions as ?little englanders?, or ?europhobes? etc etc? I doubt it, as ?liberal? idealists? ideas don?t tend to win arguments under scrutiny so smear, lies and demonisation are their normal tactic against those that dare even question their ?progressive? certainty. Discuss

I thought this was a statement of fact, not a thread about a tv programme

I don't know. In principle Wikkileaks is great and needed. He's a very odd fellow when I've seen and read his interviews. I think he's extremley narcisstic and clearly some senior colleagues at Wikkileaks aslo were feeling uncomfortable about the direction the organisation was going. The rape thing I dunno, but reading that idiot Johan Hari or whatever his name is now trying to on one hand raise him as a hero but on the other hand make sure he wasn't worshipping a rapists was a hysterical excercise in PC gone mad, life is all black and white lefty madness

I was on my way to stack shelves at Tescos, wondering why my girlfriend hadn't been returing my calls later that day I got my very own "Dear John" which, for me personally was far more traumatic than JL's death.