...and, as I said before if we, the country, go bust they'll be far worse off than 2.5% down but lets keep it all 'equal' for the sake of 'fairness'... it is the most efficient way of raising tax take, it's now in line with most EU countries and it is actually a tax on spending on non-neccessities....but, the mantra of horrible cutters will bleat on and on and on no doubt, if the airwaves and Usual supects in the media today are anything to go by.