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She re-pointed my chimney only last week Steve

it was 8 when I first looked and then went right out so i thought "Naaah" (again)....bollox, bums, grrrrr

agghhhhhhhhhhh...got given a tip foe Wolverhampton that was 27 on Betfiar and won....didn't do it :X

if it's anything like the real world it's also throwing good money after bad

Birmingham 2 Everton 2 Bolton 1 Wigan 2 Burnley 2 Wolves 0 Chelsea declared West Ham retired hurt Hull 1 Arsenal 3 Stoke 1 Villa 1 Tottenham 0 Blackburn 8* Man U 2 Fulham 1 Sunderland 0 Man City 0 Liverpool 1 Pompey 1 *it's been a while

We have a Cheltenham thread MM, could have saved you ?19

I've already done IC at 12s :)) and Denman....who is now drifting I'm also looking at Finninas Rainbow in the 2.05 on Wednesday and Tell Massini in the Albert Bartlett next Friday

*Bob* Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > There's a lot of talk (and pictures) about the > clothes online, but talk of 'rucking' (plus > pictures) is never far behind. > > So was 'football hooliganism' (as it became know) > nothing more than the definitive gang culture of > the age, no more than Teddy Boys, Gangstas etc > etc? Or was it something else? And youthculture I was actually a soulboy rather than a casual, post punk about 1979 I decided to be a soulboy (a southern largely funk/jazz funk orientated scene rather than the more retro and more famous Northern soul scene concentrating on older obscure soul music) as a fair few of my mates were doing that and I liked the music and wanted to be in on a youth culture as punks moment had gone and the retro mod revival that was ongoing was just pathetic I thought and New Romantics were just London artschool types. Our 'look' then was largely very straight or 'pegged' jeans, legwarmers (yup!) flat shoes (not trainers) or plastic sandals/espadrilles in summer, white socks, various tops - Fred Perrys/baseball tops/Hawaiian shirts/tank tops and even cardigans! (it changed frequently) - but not especially sports casual?as the labels etc weren?t really available or relevant in the UK then. The main thing that identified a soulboy then was the wedge haircut, based on Bowie and Ferry 1976ish, I proudly got my first one in 1979. Being a soulboy wasn't especially linked to Football, it was strongly linked to going clubbing (Goldmine Canvey Island, Flicks Dartford, Royalty Southgate being examples) and of course to the soul weekenders at Caister and the music. However, most soulboys were white southern suburban working class lads so many went to football. I remember that West Ham well into 1981/2 was still very much a post punk/oi/nu-skinhead look with Harringtons and loafers/DMs still much in evidence. The Southbank at Upton Park was still then pretty much green or black zipper Harrington?s and short hair. Suddenly in 82ish that look went and most youths started adopting a vague soulboy look and then added the sports casual Scouser thing too. I think the look just became more universal and the hooligans - and remember hooliganism had been around since the 1960s - adopted it. What then happened was that then it suddenly mattered that your lot looked better than the other lot and that accelerated the label/casual thing ? I just wasn?t into that then as fundamentally I was thinking we soulboys have had those flicky haircuts and cared about our clothes for years and you lot suddenly think you?re cool but I?m sure that just reflects my age. I was never a casual, my brother whose 7 years younger than me was. So, casuals just became the universal look (and for a smaller elite a culture) for much workingclass youth and as Acid Casual said some of these went to football and some were hooligans too but the connection was as tenuous as that?Casual weren?t causal (see what I did there) in football violence.

Here you go *Bob*, a picture (plus cod sociology and some fairly inarticulate stuff from the bloke out of the Cockney Rejects) speak a 1000 words Bad haircuts, silly clothes and ritualised 'violence' circa 1983

My lawn is absolutely buggered after all the snow...mainly mud and moss? Any revival tips or start from scratch?

Mick Mac Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Rafa - he's gotta go. Surely noone in ED is > supporting him now? ;-) Well Anna would be but she's over in France supporting him :)

Admin Would you be happy if I or someone else started a World Cup thread seperate to Football Focus? I think there'd be wider participation than if we just bung it in FF...probably not yet but neraer the big event.

Wot Jimmy said...absolutely. But there were a few genuine hard guys and nutters. I was in the line behind the wannabess the urger oneers

Who 'woz there'? I was Was violence an essential part of the thing, or limited to a small minority? The 'thing' moved from ritualised relatively harmless posturing/territorialism that was a significant part of the whole football experience for a reasonably large number of young football fans to a smaller minority when it became far more nasty and for that reason I was out How important was the football? Very for most Do we have MDMA to thank for the end of off-pitch bovver? Personally I think most people were realising how stupid it was, plus the 5 year sentences rather than ?50 fines and Aciiied just happened to coincide with that

I'm going to put some money on the 'grey' this year...I sense a steely competitive spirit and suspect there may be some training on the running part (drinking is impeccable already) ;-)

Who the bookies think will be on the plane Current odds to make the world cup squad (aside for the gamblers...surely you could lay all the big fvourites at 1.01?..one of them's bound to get an injury and 100/1 on!)

er...time of post Mockers

Sudoku

Could be Desert sand in high cloud.....

Sunny Delight + Monstermunch = 3 As at A Level FACT

er...the stick thing

*flicks gin and tonic and golf club in 'that' way*

it's mad...I suspect it just reflects the quality and small number of flats available in the village...small sample innit. It just shows how much SE22 is punching above its weight for pretty average housing stock. I live here, I like it but the prices are madness for pretty small victorian terraces built for railway workers and junior clerks not that well connected. 15 years ago it was a real bargain area but now......bleedin' madness.

I've Arsenal and Chelsea for the Premiership, Pompey to be relegated, Burnley to stay up and Bordeaux for the CL all live...not trying to rub it in

..you're a bit of a ruggerbugger too Mick...do you like trains?... for the hatrick