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Robert Poste's Child Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > They don't do it out of altruism. It's a gamble, > like any investment, and if the risks are getting > uncomfortable for the individual then they can > choose to take the money out of property and stick > it somewhere lower-risk, like an investment > account. They have a choice. > > Have to say I do believe BTL owners are a blocker > at the lower end of the market, and I've heard > quite a few of them use the one about having their > mortgage paid off for them. Maybe they're cliches > because they're true. It's not a bank account, or even a share it's a property with tenants,it's not very liquid you just can't just switch! On a macro scale this is why a whole bunch of Commercial Property funds have suspended themselves since Brexit. I've not BTL but the hate private landlords get is ridiculous - as if big commercial renters and/or LA's/ Housing associations are efficient, pleasant, well run, easy to reach Landlords. Not supporting the OP on this though..

...and risk but haters got to hate

..but it's not (local & regional prosperity) bits of Spain, southern Italy & all of Greece are at near catastrophic levels of poverty/unemployment and opportunity The EU needs reform badly, I just wish we'd made a better and more positive case for reform when we were in it and stayed there to help fix it.

bloody hell numbers I know we've had Brexit but SW France isn't that far away :)

I have empathy with your position it must be very unsettling. But, rationally looking at it,there is almost no chance of EU citizens here not getting residency - based on need, political support (which is almost universal, including among Brexiters). I think you are getting yourself very upset about something that is extremely unlikely to be happen and putting yourself through enormous, unnecessarily stress. It is a remote possibility, but it's not good to worry about remote possibilities too much in life. I am really just trying to be helpful and supportive here, not diminishing the upset it's clearly causing you.

Farage has no part of the decision - i'm just pointing out that if even HE thinks this, it probably reflects the political will and reality of most politicians and the majority of the population! She's done that as part of the bargaining for Brexit negotiations which is vastly misjudged and much criticized (including by her own party) decision. I'm just trying to reassure you - equally as well if you decide to 'go' you may regret that as a hasty move in the future. I completely understand the uncertainty and there's no guarantee, of course, but I really don't think a nightmare scenario for you will come to pass.

If I could try and reassure you. No-one but the most racist/ant-EU nut job thinks or hope that this will result in some sort of expulsion of EU Nationals. Even EVEN Farage said yesterday that all existing EU Residents should be given permanent residence in the UK now. If (when) that is granted, EU citizens would actually have a more secure status than they had 2 weeks ago when we were members of the EU (as the referendum has demonstrated, that security was 'false'). We are still in the EU and will be for at least 2 years so the picture will become clearer with plenty of time to 'act' rather than over stressing now. Most British people support existing EU residents being given permanent residence by a very large majority (including the majority of Brexiters)according to a poll at the weekend.

come on, it doesn't matter if you haven't a plan in place for these massive decisions

As will most sensible non-racist people, which is why I think (hope) we'll get there or there abouts and people should calm down a bit. Doesn't mean it wasn't unnecessary, unsettling and not without real consequences of course, but we are where we are.

i want to read but not in 17 different threads?

agree Rah - it's done. We need to move on and get on with the next stage. But either the economy's fooked OR those that expected the end of immigration from the EU are going to be disappointed...

Not sure, we don't seem to have a PM or Leader of the Opposition....

do we have to start another bloody thread - we've about 20. Couldn't this have gone in one of them?

...can you have word about posters starting a new one on every bloody nuance....

Interesting to see if the Corbynistas - "What we need to do now is to unite to defeat this Tory govt?" line holds post Chilcott....more fuel on the fire methinks

Are you a virtual assistant to local businesses by any chance?

different issue - crossing picket lines; too much hassle; wrath of colleagues (interesting piece in the Spectator recently about what it's like to be an out Tory teacher recently, answer frightening and damaging to your career prospects).

Let's do a maths test..... 25% x 90%

.....in the words of the playground, "you started it"......

100

well that would work out very well for us then Loz given the massive trade deficit we have with Germany & France - we are fixing our balance of payments problem already by your logic......

Gawd, when does the bloody teachers' strike end?

I just get bored of the inflexible, sanctimonious, morally certain, righteousness of large sections of the left. Nearly as bad as the bigotry of the right. Proper thinking people with open minds aren't certain about very much at all.

I voted remain. The fact you think otherwise Just illustrates the inflexibility of your binary, simplistic world view. My point is that if people hadn't dismissed the concerns of people about immigration as 'racist' and engaged with them and let a discussion develop then my feel is the outcome would have been different but it was closed down by the 'bigots' of the left on the grounds of bigotry, ironically.

rendelharris Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > ???? Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > "Scum of the first order" hello fellow bigot. > > I don't mind that at all, if regarding racist > rabble rousing populist nationalist politicians > like Farage as scum makes me a bigot in your eyes > I'll wear the badge with pride. No but it is, isn't it. And it's the exact 'liberal' viewpoint that has helped push us to Brexit. You and your closed and simplistic world views help explain exactly why so many people voted Brexit.