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Sophisticated operating machine - bloody hell you are having a laugh. Ask Southern European youth what they think of that. US, India and Australia have approached us already. I think you're getting supply and demand mixed up - Germany can't miraculously substitute it's massive trade surplus with us with 3rd world countries or from within the EU. You can't say here's 300,000 VWs we need you to buy off us Italy (on top of the ones you already do) as the UK's dropped out. Bizzarre logic. We have a strong position and compromises will be made with the ever pragmatic Germans . Countries like Ireland absolutely need to trade with us. We'll get EU lite with less say internally, some limits on movement of people and more opportunities that we can make on our own. I voted remain, but they'll miss us as much as we'll miss them and the sky won't fall in is my view- unnecessary recession next year looks likely but Armageddon, no.

In SE22 was Founders Day

rendelharris Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > ???? Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Middle class radicals have done as much more to > > wreck working class lives as anyone else. Class > > traitor rubbish - the cry of spoilt middle > class > > lefties when the plebs don't do what they want > > them to. Stay in your place proletarian person. > > Yeah, bloody Atlee and the health service and > that, council housing, union rights, all attempts > to wreck working class lives. Whereas the right > have really done wonders for the working class, > which is why we're currently living in such a > utopia. Silly person. Atlee's government was packed with working class MPs - Corbyn's inner circle and Momentum is packed with middle class w@nkers

Middle class radicals have done as much more to wreck working class lives as anyone else. Class traitor rubbish - the cry of spoilt middle class lefties when the plebs don't do what they want them to. Stay in your place proletarian person.

Agree with that. And I've always enjoyed been one. But many of his recent critics haven't always been haters, by any means. Although his acolytes swear and shout at them 'blairites' plus added explicits. Bunch of middle class pretend revolutionary wank*ers in the main.

Lordship I'll get back later more considered but just one Cut & paste about the trade thing as an EG: The U.K. is by far Germany's most profitable export market. Last year, Germany's trade surplus with the U.K. came in at 51 billion euros ($56 billion), accounting for 34 percent of the German surplus with the EU. That surplus was also 42 percent higher than the German trade surplus with France, Berlin's largest European trade partner. With its 89.3 billion euro worth of exports to the U.K. last year, Britain is Germany's third-largest export market, after the U.S. and France. Will Germany give this up by shutting the U.K. out of a free-trade agreement with the EU? Of course it won't. And here is another interesting story. You probably heard the Germans boasting about their booming China trade. Here is how booming that is: Last year, German exports to the U.K. were 25 percent higher than its sales to China. The big difference being that Germans made a huge surplus with the U.K., but their China trade recorded a 20 billion euro deficit ? a fourfold increase from the deficit in 2014. No wonder that Chancellor Merkel keeps saying that there is no need to be "nasty" with the U.K., while reassuring her compatriots that she would negotiate the U.K.'s exit from the EU with a great attention to German interests.

He can do no wrong to his cult can he?

It's just the uncertainty - things will improve. Borrowing costs have shrunk, we'll get some stimulus via monetary policy, the FTSE is at a 10 month high, there has been some recovery in the FTSE 250, a low pound benefit exporters; will there be a recession next year that wouldn't have happened probably and that will be painful (and for The rest of Europe too) but I really don't think the sky will fall in medium term. We imported ?250 billion of European goods in the first quarter - the EU wants that back up and running; we were the main engine of job creation for Europe- the Southern European economies don't want a boost to their domestic unemployment rates - it's all messy but it'll sort out without being quite as catastrophic as some would have. The govt has also given itself some room now to apply a bit of good old keynsyan pumping if it wants too. Cheer up.

I think furious teacher needs a long holiday, but in a couple of weeks he/she will get one do all is probably well. Goodnight.

On a serious note . Would be a good thing Steveo - the boys have hardly made a good thing of it recently and if you add in Ruth ???? In Scorland then they all look pretty good (Clinton excepted)

It's the "worthiness" and entitlement that gets to me furious teacher. This strike is on a 25% turnout and is just belligerent militancy from The NUT who think they are the miners or something I don't owe you anything, your choice what you do go and get a job in the private sector doing something else if you hate me and teaching my kids so much.

I'm one

if it means we don't have to hera him commentate anymore - I'm in

Thinking of a gender realignment Steveo?

at a push, a PUSH, you could justify the "the Netanyahu governemnt' bit. He's a nasty old trot with good manners, I've always suspected it by the company he keeps to be honest but this combined with the Momentum attack dogs threatening Labour MPs and Parliament in some kind of 1970s 'direct democracy' farce - I'm out and loud, he's as dangerous as the BNP/UKIP

i hope there is not going to be an election now given the current political climate...

Loz you need to move on - I have and feel much better from grief and anger last week. It won't be as bad as you think - Germany is immensely pragmatic, we imported ?250 billion goods from Europe in the first quarter of this year, 2 million EU citizens work here who we need and don't have much opportunities in their own countries; the banks in Europe are wobbling...they'll give us a deal they just want it done quick. The only fly in the ointment is "Jeremy Corbyn PM"

Brexit and those wealth destroyers in power - we'd be like Venezuela now (yes, every lefties favourite economy a while back) within 10 years

Think we need to get on and Brexit and negotiate so would hope we do that quickly with May and some cross party representation. 2020 my only voting consideration would be anyone to stop a Corbyn led Labour party (which if he''s still leader will, via deselection, be proper, nasty hard left party - as him and his cabal always wanted.)

8/1 yesterday :)

Lordship 516 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Was forced to deny he is still homophobic but > refused to distance himself from the gay cure > group, Care, so not really an acceptable leader > of any party. Does your view on lweaders apply to those who refuse to distance themselves from terrorist groups, anti-Semitic supporters, etc too? Agree with what you say about Crabb but hope you apply this consistently

Klinsman is my bet (not choice)

No we are out - disbelief,grief and anger have gone for me; the uncertainty is the danger now. Let's get on with it (with her, hopefully)

yup - i genuinely can't think of anyone better to lead Brexit talks (which are going to happen so drop wishful thinking) in any party - plus see the other thread she's already siad she'll drop Osbourne's Balanced Budget Law and not scrap ECHRC. When I look at Corbyns disgusting comparison of ISIS with Israel at the launch of Labour's Anti-semitism report this morning I know what I am hoping for.

May has in her leadership pitch: - dropped Osbourne's law on balancing budget - dropped tory pland to scrap ECHRC I think she'd be a great negotiator for us in Brexit talks, if I'm honest. So hope she wins.