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er...I don't love this forum, it's alright, people seem decent, it's a tad dull and samey...I will one day turn up for drinks *ceases p*ssing on chips, zips up, replaces hands in pockets and walks away whistling...awaits SeanMc

er. the bags look very nce...but they ain't half small...loaf of bread and that's your lot

Sean - the EU project 'may' be right, but the politicians and bueracrats(sp0 who run it have not yet made a convinvcing case and presented communicated this properly and then when the 'people' reject it have tried to get it in through the back door. Again, in the 21st century we have to try and have ongoing dialogue far too many politicains (especially many on the continent) are still stuck in this 'we are the political elite we know what's best trust us' view of the world....a hangover from post 1945 consensus (largely mildley socialist) politics. It's crap today - a prime exaample being GD himself his "I feel your pain" shite...'trust me, i know best"...no wonder we haven't engagement. The US constitution is one of thye most straightforward and understandable piece of political 'paper' (sorry I can't think of a better word with a hangover)..the EU constitution is 500+ pages......madness.

Brendan I agree with 2) Sean, read my post again. You have a habiit of not really presenting an argument but *sighing and talking about 'reason' wheras what you often present is sentiment, the text book view that the 'left' or 'liberal' view is somehow above argument and intrinsically 'right' and somehow oposing opinions are not worth debate. Seriously, you talk a lot of sentiment and not much argument.

Brendan why? Can we have some reasons rather than the generally given slightly dogmatic assumption that any effort to reduce the state's role in our lives = nasty capitalist plot by super-rich rather than an attempt to improve the delivery of what are currently hugely inneficient largely publicly funded public sector bodies to the benefit of all? Personally on defence I'd scrap our nuclears and then rent out our armed forces as we're quite good at fighting

I remember when Sainsbury's fish counter was Dulwich Hamlet's centre circle:'(

My curtain has twitched ALL DAY

LOL...oh dear

Hugenot - I am not saying get rid of all income tax and would support keeping it progressive but am suggeting that we look at ways of managing redistribution more efficiently, at a lesser overall burden for all, and to those that need it rather than creating a culture which means that the financial incentive to work becomes pretty marginal at lower income levels. I truly think this can be 'carroted' rather than 'sticked' and I do believe we have serious 'welfare culture'.

lozzylozz - a good soulboy/girl set! I'd add Cyanide - Brother on the Slide Bootsey Collins - I'd rather be with you Roy Ayers - Running away Lonnie Liston Smith- Expansions Willi Bobo - Always There Jean Carn - Was that all it was Azymuth - Jazz Carnival Brothers Johnson - Starwberry Letter 13(?) Funkadelic - Freak of the Week Commodores - Sanctified

It's been good so far but in recent years it's been the knock out stages that have strangled promising starts

Tax/benefits - get rid of as much of the benefit system as possible and give every single person (including dependent kids) a set annual income whatever they 'earn', their assets or wether they choose to work or not (i'd still keep a limited benefit system for say disability and as some kind of genuine saftety net). At the libeterian extreme I'd even say get rid of free health and education and increase the basic income for all so they could choose what to spend this on (including education/health/insurance etc) but too many people are utterly feckless and incapable about taking responsibility for their own lives. So I'd just try and simplify and debueacratise(?) the benefit system. PS I'd put all my state income on the 3.30 at Newmarket ;-)

I think I possibly hold the world Record for being Best Man (6 times) so may be able to help

Sean thinks you're a criminal. Southwark Council is the real criminal/

AHA...if there's betting involved I amy well show up this time. (4/1)

The Green Man.....used to go there years back when it was open later than most places in Camberwell (obviously kept my Hammers Tatoo hidden :-S Anyone used to go downstairs in the Marbella in camberwell after all the pubs shut...one notch up from Bolus and packed (including Bob Mortimer most Fridays)?

I also remember in 1989 (the year the clubs banned it in media inspired moral panic mode so created the outdoor vibe) that for a few short weeks a soundsystem was set up on Clapham Common on Sunday lunchtime for the returning throngs from home counties fields....aciieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed

Lozzy - I was a soulboy way before a Raver so can remember almost all of them. I'd add the Royalty (southgate), The Brix (didcot), Flicks (Dartford) and, of course, the twice yearly trek to Caister

All hail to the Litter Nazis..I agree. On saturday this non-posh girl (not quite sure what the poshness has to do with this to be honest) dropped her chocolate wrapper as she walked past the bin by the bus stop by the post office so I picked it up and said loudly "I'll pich that up for you" she told me to "Fack awfff"......my gut feeling that age rather than class may have a better correlation with propensity to litter *awaits torrents of abuse from young posters

Ratty - I will show my missus this later to find out..

By the way Ratty, my missus who is 'few' years younger than me and from Pompey raves about Sterns...us metroplitan types have never heard of it of courseB)

er....my yoof at this wonderful time was (mid 20s)! I did Land of Oz, Shoom (once), several Biology (?) raves round the M25, Planet Love at the Fridge, the Mud club as it suddenly discovered Aciiiied. Camberwell was well into it all then and the Grove would literally suddenly empty when the "go to Junction 17 of the M25" message went out..happy days *looks in wardrobe for illfitting smiley t-shirt and sweat stained bandana

Well if you got rid of benefits alltogether you'd stop that and save the taxpayer Billions *walks away innocently hands in pockets whistling

A pole who had my money on him to be top scorer...just need to nobble the Spanish bloke now

er....there's always been loads I used to pop down for a curry from Camberwell nack in the 1980s