oh bugger but keef "sure it wasn't his intention" and highlighting that doesn't dispel the notion that I did actually do something wrong, does it? And Kel, if someone isn't around to defend themselves, at what point do you think they should take responsibility for that fact. As Huguenot points out, if someone in the playground keeps pulling your hair, when is a wrist-slap not enough And besides, they have been around in repeated guises, but instead of defending themselves they just attack again and again. For cryin out loud she talks about IP addresses being banned as if it doesn't affect moderators - who have to moderate from banned IP addresses. She talks about admin being "given the job" - as if it was a job to be given. Admin set this place up, he published the rules, they are there for everyone to see so what's the hard part to understand? Look, if there is a more liberal, less-moderated forum around, (and I'd be interested to know one) by all means hang out there. But this constant berating of people who are keeping this thing going is really, really tiring. Acting as judge and jury without any facts and lots of speculation - I've had it