Whenever I hear any phrase along the lines of "you're just jealous" I'm automatically reminded of some dodgy Jerry Springer type show where some unfortunate declares she has 16 children and " three of them are older than me - how did that happen?" and when anyone dares to question her choices she just goes "you just jealous..!!!" (this attitude also sums up US foreign policy at the mo, but I digress) stumpyjack - it's not often I berate newbies, but you are one scary individual. First of all if you are going to say then at least follow through and bugger off. By hanging around and posting several times further you undermine your following statement - viz: Johnsuissy seems like a genuinely nice bloke who made a statement, saw the responses, and eventually joined in and actually corresponded with some of us. We agree to disagree re car selection etc but so be it You on the other hand have genuine problems coping with a wider world and denigrate anyone who doesn't value everything by it's cash value.. 2 things will now happen. You will either: a) not respond b) respond with some senseless argument, disproving your point that to spend time on this forum is for losers there ARE other options but I would be amazed if you chose them