Be fair Keef, the trophies are not of questionable worth, they are of zero worth. However, the performances that led to the trophies, particularly against an overly-aggressive Ajaz side, demonstrate that the Arsenal will be this season's dark horse. There is more steel about us this year and I am quietly optimistic. I'm not going to see will win anything... but I expect us to be in contention for most of the season, which is something we haven't done for a while To my mind Chelsea will be the big losers this year - the core of the team has been sated with new deals and they just won't be ass effective as they have been not to mention the injury list they already have. Man U I expect to do well and Hargreaves is an excellent signing - but quite a lot of new signings may mean a lack of cohesion in juuust enough games may allow Liverpool to pip them to top spot. Spurs finally look like this is the year they will start to achieve but we shall see - so long as it's not at the Arsenal's expense I'm ok with that - so my top 4 this year Liverpool Man U Arsenal Spurs