SeanMacGabhann

Good work Mark - I'm not that close to any companies but I'll mention it to Kate in G&B if she is around this weekend

Even though it's slow, the menacing music in the background tells you al is not well

I would add inside 72 to list of must visit bars. Nothing else like it

I am around (sort of) but can't get enough time to contribute a coherent post - sorry . But you're doing splendidly without me >:D

Leaving a TV on standby is less HARMFUL to the TV than switching it off and on and makes it last longer - not sure about more energy efficient As someone who used to be on a 50p meter I have some trouble believing every stat thrown at me on standby modes. I could leave a TV on standby for 50p in 1987 and it would still have 49p left now (ish) One full bath of hot water needed 2 50ps tho

Splendid - can we do one of those online vote thingies?

I thought the "naughty" referred to Belladonna. I mean belladonna * ahem *

cdonline, you can join the group on this side of the line, but everyone has only JUST calmed down so no provoking (for a little while anyway...) Cup of tea?

Relax MW I don't mean you, or even anyone on this thread. It's at any time in the past. It may be true that practitioners are so well used to constant questions that the default setting is "defensiveness" but I don't see a way past the questions. Sure some people will have bought into it already and be "on message" as it were but as with any ideal/philosophy it has to be robust enough to answer questions. People still give christianty/judaism/islam a fair old questioning (and rightly so IMO) and they survive Have another hug.

eloquently put CitizenEd

Monica - your post suggests that we are all avid pill-poppers at the slightest sign of ailment. Rest assured in my case that isn't so. And I totally agree with you that it's our lifestyle is what would benefit most if we cared to (is now a good time to crowbar the driving-you-car-everywhere-debate in?? hmm probably not Mr MacGabhann...) To take your example of the child with a fever, who could have a problem with chamomile helping him? Anything that works is fine by me. But I'm assuming in the case of the child he didn't have to buy in to any philosophy for it to work (which is what we are told is needed in the R-word case?) I think most of the "anti" brigade on here, myself included are the opposite of close-minded. I approach everything with a curiosity as to how it can be useful to me, mine and the world. So I am fair game to buy into many of the areas in question. But with curiousity comes examination. Is that a male trait? I don't think so .. but certainly the eviedence on this thread suggests a breakdown on gender lines. In any case simply by examining, for example, Reiki, I don't see what it gives me that common sense and a someone with good hands doesn't - it's the need to build up a philosphy behind it that sets up a barrier for me. But if others like it then, as Ed suggests who am I to stop them. But I don't think I'm trying to stop anyone - I AM trying to figure out what the deal is but every question seems to be met with a large degree of defensiveness I certainly wouldn't want to sound like someone who wouldn't go to your shop Monica. I have been in there (far more than the chemist nearby) and love your postings too

if you axe (take a hatchet to ) Bush you get 4 of the letters. I thought R might be an abbreviation of some significance

SH r UB ?

The Guards next..

one for Richard Dawkins at this point methinks

You are of course correct Louisa that no paper is innocent of such tactics. But you never did answer my allegation that road rage incidents between drivers also account for injuries and fatalities. And as for the number of innocent bystanders killed by public transport versus those killed by errant drivers.... weeeeellllll I never said public transports was wonderfully safe. Nor did anyone else I recall. They might have said it isn't as bad as some people make out and the horrific incident in question doesn't change that IN COMPARISON with other forms of transport

"Nihilists! Fuck me. I mean, say what you like about the tenets of National Soc-ialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos. " Walter Ok I promise to go back on topic - but David MADE me quote from one of my favourite films!!!

I meant to - I really did. If only to catch up on Kilimanjaroan (sp?) tales but work overtook (and it is rare for me to miss any drinks to be fair) Plus I think many forumites were recovering from the big forum session at The Plough on Friday Was the Rye quiet - I was looking forward to going there as I hadn't been in for a while

Me too - and I believe it's your round >:D

If only it still existed eh? I actually thought the Harvester of about 5 years ago is better than it's current incarnation

I would say that it is LARGELY because the attack on the man happened some months ago and has been discussed several times and the only reason we are talking about it again is that someone has beleatedly read about it in the sort of paper that routinely recycles this sort of thing precisely to have the sort of affect it had on the person who brought it up again (deep breath) We care about people who get beaten up on trains We care about a free press But the reintroduction of the topic IS about political motivation of the paper in question

>:D< I just knew someone would say that cdonline!

All of us born between 22nd Sep and 22 Oct do Brendan - it's such an injustice. Some of us wanted to be footballers and doctors but no - the stars spoke

Two Scally Lads from Grimbsby? Smoke? There may be a William Hill a few doors down from The Plough but I can't see them offering any worthwhile odds

Depends on what the subject is (after mutating over several pages!) But if the subject is still the programme and why was he "shooting fish in a barrel" then I don't think we are changing the subject... If we accept (to borrow a phrase) that people buy into "mumbo-jumbo" then it's very easy for anyone in authority to have influence over them. Of course what constitutes "mumbo-jumbo" is the very issue. Very occassionally I will read a horoscope. For the cliched "laugh". I have never evver taken it seriously. Some of my friends do.... which creeps me out. I'll do something and they will say "oh that is sooo like a Libran" - no it isn't!