I love all this rose-tinted spectacles bollocks that seem to attach to the nostalgia attaching to the old grammar schools. What people tend to conveniently overlook is that grammar schools took the "top" 20% (as at age 11, assuming the kids were not having a bad day when they took the 11+) and the remaining 80% went to secondary modern schools (or similar). The latter schools were given less money, fewer facilties and inevitably attracted a different kind of teacher (cough). Basically you were telling 4/5ths of the country's kids that their future education was just killing time until they went into factories, mines or whatever And yet for all that they were not hotbeds of violence and anarchy, the way many modern comprehensive schools ar portrayed. I am confident that the reasons schools are such different environments now have nothing to do with the non-selective systems currently in place and everything to do with other things going on in society...