El Pibe

Ok if you're going to make me Fisk it I'll do it a bit at a time. Para one. Appeasement didn't cost the lives of anyone. Nazi aggression and genocidal policies did. Western leaders were not appeasing Hitler, this was a criticism of policy arrived at with the huge benefit of hindsight and typically cited (usually ridiculously innappropriately, see above) by hawks keen for bloodshed. Western leaders were, quite rightly and understandably trying to avoid a rehash of world war one, fresh within living memory. Everyone said never again and any attempts at pursuing that we're noble, if sadly forlorn. Of course it was during this period of 'appeasement' that a massive program of rearmament and expansion of the armed forces took place in preparation for war, Walk softly and carry a big stick eh? Who knows how early intervention may have gone, perhaps it would have checked initial expansion. But it would have been limited war with limited aims, more a spat over the Rhineland or even a 'police action'. Perhaps it would have caused the nazis to a coalesce their policies regarding the Jews earlier as they'd have quickly worked out that remilitarising the Rhineland may have been a line in the sand but internal suppression of 'enemies of the state' is not a concern of foreign powers. So perhaps a more hawkish stance would have brought about a more complete destruction of European Jewry and delayed aggressive expansion until the Wehrmacht was more fully prepared, thus invading Poland with an efficient death camp network and ovens already in place. Of course the war killed upwards of 50 million people, mostly Chinese, Soviets and Germans, but I'm loving this chaps immediate concern for Jews. He might as well have written "yes I'm about to label an entire ethno-religious grouping an internal enemy of the state in a bid to whip up fear for my own political ends, but I'm not like others who do it, look at me I'm concerned for the Jews, that makes me not a racist bloodthirsty bigot, right?". He can fuck off and so can you if you peddle this xenophobic bullshit. I'll pick apart his risible understanding of the post-war carve up next, as for Bosnia, moral cowardice perhaps, but it had nothing to do with appeasement, but then this chap knows all about moral cowardice doesn't he.

Too consistent, even across the other forums from which he's been banned (we're clearly a very tolerant lot here). If he is a construct then I've a feeling i know who his inspiration was; what are your views on Genesis UDT?

Ha ha ha.

Possibly the greatest concentration of misinformation a truth twisting ever committed to prose. BITE, do us all a favour and fuck off.

I reckon early forties. Still single.

Thing is if it's observable then how come in almost two centuries of cameras has no image been captured. If it's not observable then the perception is in the mind. That's not to say this can't be caused by an outside phenomenon of an ectoplasmic nature, (though psychology suggests that overactive imagination and cultural conditioning* filling in the gaps is by far the most likely explanation of sightings), but again nothing has been able to recreate this in blind trials. None of which stopped me from going to really spooky places in my youth like Clophill and scaring myself silly. Never saw a ghost though. *hence why mexicans see chupacabras, americans see greys and brits see cantankerous little old ladies

It was the Kenneth Williams reference wasn't it.

I feel vindicated :)

It's actually a glorified exercise in begging, dishing out a vague bunch of IOUs with a warning that if it all turns to shit you can whistle for it.

To be fair to Jeremy, I don't think he was sneering at you as such, more that he knows what a rum bunch we they are on here who would pounce on anything with a whiff of hyperbole about it.

I have to say I couldn't see the point myself. If they don't carry a say so and they don't pay a dividend then, apart from the fuzzy warm sensation that you're chucking good money at bad, ie allowing the club to carry attract top players by paying overinflated wages, thus keeping wags in the sort of clothing UDT buys at half the price until someone is photographed in them (Brad Pitt exception to the rule), I just can't see why anyone would want to buy any. It's not like football club shares have a good history of soaring in value is it?!

I thought there were 10 types

This reminds me of the Caledonian road episode of secrety history. Camden (or was it islington?) basically booted out tenants from run down slum housing for relocation in the ill advised social housing of the nasty tenement variety they were replaced by. These days houses on the sister street which managed to stave off compulsory purchase orders of derisory sums (these were privately owned) go in the region of 2 million whilst many of the tenements are having to be destroyed. I guess if a council can get a substantial sum for some of the more desirable properties they own (like 'the farm' in the camberwell grove episode) and build some decent social housing, with all those lessons learnt from the 60s 70s, from the proceeds, then I can't really see anything wrong with it, SJ's cynicism notwithsatnding.

Really, those jeans cost over ?1000? They were hand-made by medically verified virigins from a small tribe on the rocky shores of the Menai Straits, and made from only the finest Egyptian cotton washed in babies' tears, the seams stitched using unicorn mane. The likes of Cilla Black and Julio Iglesias would never be seen dead in them because they're still alive, though I'm not a hudred percent sure in the case of cilla black......or julio iglesias for that matter.

I worked in a hi-fi store many years ago, we had a couple of very knowledgeable customers who'd hang around until after we closed. Believe you me I still remember their faces, and have to suppress my atavistic flight response even picturing them 20 years later.

Can we end the season now please? The table looks great.

he has something of an obsession doesn't he!!!

it's all so clear now, well done jeremy. that explains the overreaction to a simple kenneth williams quote. "A couple of youngsters there there...fooling around. Let's hope that that... tomfoolery... doesn't escalate into blind, ugly violence. Which lets face it, none of us want to see."

Oh well, all those sickened by the namby pamby bleeding herart liberal left leaning guardian need worry no more apparently thanks to its pursuit of the greenback (not the baron sadly) http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2012/08/201281814239801229.html

I'm preparing myself for a smattering of addiction with a side dish of self loathing.

I've just had a jolly nice Sunday lunch topped off with a sweet sake. Never had one before. It was nice.

No such thing as too hot. Colour me happy bunny right now.