I dunno, whilst I get where quids is coming from, and I generally applaud efforts to make people feel welcome, I think he's wrong. For clique (and there is none) I think we should read the regulars or high volume posters. Without all the regulars this forum is just buy and sell with some added curtain twitching. Without them this forum would never have achieved critical mass and it'd still be thirty odd people taking the piss out of each other *sighs* and the low volume types wouldn't be able to flog or buy all that lovely stuff for free, JB couldn't reach out to his (soon to oust him) public, and just think how dull all those CPZ consulations would be without the EDF!! Actually the family room has generated it's own momentum, regulars and personality which is different to the rest of the EDF, though to be fair it suffers just as much from in-jokes, aggressive responses and trolling as the rest of the site from my limited experiences there (not to mention freezing us poor downtrodden dads out :( ) Pickle, love it!!!