El Pibe

> So basically it's the Americans' fault. Yaaaay :D

Maggie!?!? gawd rest 'er soul, *doffs cap* awful dusty in 'ere innit, I 'ad that Russel Brand in the back o' me cab the uvver day, wanker.

> Because it masks the fact that no one will be prosecuted for any of these offences Didn't 5 perpetrators go down for it (admittedly tip of iceberg apparently) or do you mean in the council, police force etc?

as usual its all Blair's fault for introducing cultures of target led managerialism and refusal to accept responsibility for anything into the public sector [partial] ;-)

oh jesus, seeks parapet....

nothing to do with where i am, more the ability to sit down with one.

jesus, papers, actually made from paper....at the weekend.......*sighs nostalgically*

sorry, have i just heard Putin bemoan the Ukranian tactics by comparing them to Stalingrad and Leningrad out of concern for civilians? A man who shelled Grozny, totally destroying it and killing tens of thousands of civilans, mostly ethnic Russians (you know, that folk he's so keen on protecting) in the process before installing a regime where theft, rape and disappearances of civilians are absolutey endemic. He has certainly perfected the straight faced lie hasn't he!!

> ...and yet still people don't see that... eh? I've agreed with you that was teh problem, it was the community/culture thing i had issue with. Well maybe the incompetent, blame bucking culture in the public sector.... > Nick Griffin and that Tommy twat from the EDF can claim the moral high ground really?!

As I've said before, if you took alcohol out of the equation I reckon a great swathe of this country would be quite cool about sharia; telling other people how to live their life , check brutal vigilantiesque treatment of criminals, to a man keeping women down because your pathetic machismo doesn't bear scrutiny, check banning gays, check in fact rolling back liberal 'pc' gains 60 years, wahey!! daily baths, hmm maybe not ;)

I'm not sure he is, i think he leans rather leftward of pinko liberal, but he is pointing out the McShane's strawman you kicked this off with. Nowt to do with a community, something to do with ruthless people exploiting gigantic gaps in the safety net and missplaced sensitivity. The police not investigating probably had more to do with their history of instituionalised racism than anything to do with pinko liberalism. The whole fear of offence thing, for sure, avoiding dealing with oppression of women? Bollocks.

Does anyone remeber the reconditioned pallette selling for a fortune on here? Didn't someone get quite upset about it?

MrBen Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Nice catch quidsy. They've all taken your boilies. I just rolled my eyes at it, but carney HAD to bite di'n'e

AS i said, there are plenty of laws in place. I totally agree about faith schools for a million reasons of which mysogyny is but a single one. I'm not sure what 'accept' means, to a very real extent there's very little you can do about peoples' opinons, which is really what it boils down to. Culture is really just a consensus brought about by indoctrination and shared experience. That experiences changes in a different place and yo uget the new ones educated, ie indoctrinated in what we (not they) believe to be right.

The French clearly think so. Other than that, what can you do, say 'stop behaving like we did for the last 3000 years until about 50 years ago, we are enlightened and you're not...join us....join usssssss.... But we could probably do more funding into charities, and ngos that help women who, in order to behave like the rest of us (not THEM), are often forced to break with their communities, sometimes due to a real threat of violence, even death. Truly awful, but again, apart from criminal sanctions, which all exist, how do you force someone to stop being an arse. As i said, really the only way is that over time people tend to adjust to the culture in which they are, it's been ever thus, except perhaps the saxons, they did a pretty good job of changing the predominant culture of the vast majority, but they're the exception....well the arabs, they did that very effectively too, but I'm wandering off piste now. Actually it cut both ways with the arabs, they assimilated the culture as much as they changed it, persian muslim architecture and practices were very different to al-andalus, so it was a sort of bi-directional osmosis....ok ill shut up....

> Who can genuinely say they haven't shied away from it? I'm not entirely sure what I'm supposed to be doing about it. Cultural change is slow and you can see that 3rd or 4th generation immigrants (should you even be labbelled so after that amount of time) behave very differently from first generation. Mind you there are plenty of conservative (small c) brits outside the mulsim 'community' who probably see eye to eye on many cultural matters, especially keeping women in their place and regards 'morality'. As far as I can see kippers are basically voting for a return to the world before 1956.

I don't think taking vulnerable girls into abusive prostitution has anything to do with cultural oppression of women does it, its hideous criminality pure and simple, made possible because the poor are marginalised and oppressed (see asbos and how to criminalise poor people without them breaking any laws)? MacShane's just being an idiot and the police just didn't care. And by the sounds of things the Council were all about juking the stats (is that how its spelt?). And judging by the widespread abuse and oppression of women across the whole fabric of society he might want to start with the British community as a whole. Besides. I'm not sure how you're supposed to legislate agasint cultural patriarchy, legally mulsim women obviosuly have all the rights any other women do here.

figures http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/kim-jongun-is-a-manchester-united-fan-has-ordered-state-tv-to-show-their-matches-9695951.html

^^ My reaction too, took me a while

Flags, all of them frankly do my nut in. Some more than others admittedly.

Or a Burgundian team?

iimagine there were probably retro cod piece and ruff fads back in the day.

phone models seem to upgrade every 3 or four days? when did shiny and new stop being the done thing? :)

ha ha Geography can be tough. Here?s a guide for Russian soldiers who keep getting lost & ?accidentally? entering #Ukraine pic.twitter.com/RF3H4IXGSp— Canada at NATO (@CanadaNATO) August 27, 2014

I imagine more water is wasted in leaking pipes under london's streets every hour than the entirety of this exercise. It's not as if people are pulling it out of some precious well in a drought zone.....well, maybe in California ;)