If you want to talk about gastro pubs please go ahead, for me that's a different conversation - not one that I thought was being had. By mentioning my views in wetherspoons I'm not automatically saying anything about other establishments, that's totally on you, so don't include me. Parky - if you don't want to make sweeping generalisations well good for you, I'm impressed, I really am. But I'm generalising, it's easy, lazy, and fun. I have been in wetherspoons, a few years ago there was one when I and friends were students, they used to insist we go there because it was a 'good deal'. Jesus Christ. Even when pissed-up, you surely have to draw the line somewhere.