Jon, Internet chat forums are are not the same as a drink down the pub. You may get a few less manners, but you may also get a bit more honesty and provocation - otherwise they would be as dull as dishwater.. no-one wants to read recommendations for plumbers all day long, do they? Would I march up to a man who just got out of a Porsche with an '07 number plate and tell him he's a 'flash git'? Of course not. Would I think it? Yes, I would. Incidentally, if a good friend of mine turned-up one day in a brand new Carrera, I would have no hesitation in telling him he was a flash git and a cock. He'd tell me piss off and then we'd go to the pub. You can't possibly tell me that someone who has spent that much on a motor vehicle hasn't given a moments thought to what it might say about him - and hasn't already decided whether he cares a hoot or not? As Sean says, we (all of us) judge other people all the time, and those judgements are made based on information available. If the information changes, we may revise out opinions. Your pal may be a wonderful human being and were I to discover it, I would revise my opinion to that of 'someone who is a wonderful human being - but who has a terrible taste in cars'. If we became good friends, I'd then be at liberty to tell him that he was a flash git and a cock, at which point he'd tell me to piss off and we'd go down the pub. ... and the capital of Namibia is Windhoek