For the benefit of Jah and any others who have trouble reading 'between the lines' to ascertain the tone of a posting, here it is again: The verdict was that whilst it was good to have something to put your fag out with other than the street, you still had to carry round a small pouch which inevitably smelled of dirty old fag butts. So not really a winner. But then if you insist on being a SOCIAL PARIAH these days then smelling of rancid dog-ends is all you deserve:)-DB):));-) etc etc When I tried a Stubbi (that's right.. with a fag I was SMOKING, everyone), it seemed ok. But I'd forgotten than this was because I'd just smoked a fag, and that all my clothes, hair, skin and nose smelled of fags. When I re-discovered the Stubbi in my jacket pocket first thing the next morning, it reeked.