JohnL

I see a stitch up coming whilst the papers talk about Tusk. May must be coming under pressure. "Speaking after a meeting with the prime minister in Brussels, Brexit coordinator Guy Verhofstadt said ?we welcome? the letter the Labour leader had sent to the prime minister laying out his party?s alternative proposals. ?We have reiterated that we cannot have an agreement with uncertainty in the UK based on majorities of six, seven, eight, nine votes in the House of Commons,?" https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-jeremy-corbyn-verhofstadt-labour-european-parliament-theresa-may-backstop-a8767931.html

robbin Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The notion of organised 'opposition' to a decision > taken in a democratic vote (with a huge voter > turnout) does seem a bit odd, in a democracy. The > time for opposition to leaving the EU was in 2016. > The parties are fearful of thumbing their noses at > the majority that voted to leave and I can see > why. Got to prepare for the re-join campaign even if that was true :) But if we believe (as Chris Wylie) has again stated the result was dodgy (he states the EU have accepted this internally) then it's up in the air.

The opposition is still grass roots - but can't really progress like that. Chris Wylie - some believe him some don't - but he's controversial :)

Someone on Corbyn's team has just said that May must accept Corbyn's demands in full or the party will move to support a Peoples Vote. Is that official though - Comes from Matthew Pennycook MP via Faisal Islam. He's pinned the tweet now

robbin Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I've just realised I'm being insulted and talked > down to by someone who spends their time playing > role playing video games. That's a first! Maybe > too much of those computer games does lead to > aggression after all. I will be more understanding > of you (and patient) in future, Sephiroth from > Final Fantasy VII. When you have no leader (as Tusk rightly noticed and pointed out) anger can happen and remainers have done so well to remain cheerful and happy on all the marches. Actually I play Fallout76 (rubbish game but I've always played fallout - hate meeting other players as I play alone) :)

Anyone thought that Donald Tusk has taken all the attention and pressure from Theresa May this week before some kind of compromise. He rang her up beforehand, winked and said "watch this". No telegraph account but they picked it up in this article - https://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2019/02/06/real-motivation-behind-donald-tusks-provocative-outburst/

The yellow colour plug not the style indicates the appliance is 110v (correct me if wrong) A blue one would be 240v ? https://cpc.farnell.com/numatic/hvr-200-11-110v/henry-vacuum-cleaner-620w-red/dp/SI17841?mckv=stjosOp9i_dc

Tusk isn't talking about voters by the way he's talking about Farage, Johnson, Gove etc.

Mr Varadkar was picked up by the microphones telling Mr Tusk: "They'll give you terrible trouble in the British press for that." Mr Tusk nodded at the comment and both laughed. I think I heard Varadkar also said "I Agree"

I agree with him 2nd circle somewhere, nice and warm

keano77 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Sephiroth said > > ?...But I?m saying - In flat contradiction of > Robbin - that the country is on the brink of total > disaster and meltdown...? > > Steady on Sephiroth, I think you need to keep a > sense of proportion here. I have an ominous feeling of this too - as if we're on the edge. Might be me but sometimes feel I'm one flash point away from joining the revolution LOL. I can complain to pubs, stores, organisations and get an apology even when I'm in the wrong but in a democracy this government doesn't listen to anybody and continues to spread lies and nonsense. Everything on all sides is about political points scoring. The revolution if it came of course would be peaceful but unstoppable.

"Speaking ahead of a meeting with Mrs May on Wednesday, the Democratic Unionist Party's leader Arlene Foster said: "The current backstop is toxic to those of us living in Northern Ireland.?" It's worth remembering that most NI residents and those with close ties to NI have automatic citizenship of the ROI including her. It's annoying that she can talk like this with her "get out of jail free" card sitting in her back pocket. Effectively all the DUP will retain freedom of movement via ROI dual citizenship.

keano77 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > JohnL said > > ?...If perhaps the EU could just organise a > passport for those of us that wanted dual > nationality but had no connections to do so it > would solve things for us.? > > I?m sure if you volunteer for the proposed EU army > they?d give you a right of residency at least. I'm 53 Keano77 - I'm sure they'll have me as the IT guy though, or maybe the entertainment officer :)

There will be no downside to Brexit, only a considerable upside. David Davis. 10 October 2016.

robbin Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Jenny1 Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Robbin - you've already pointed out that any > rise > > in food prices (even if fairly small, and > > hopefully temporary) will affect those on small > > incomes. Therefore it's sensible, if you have > cash > > available, to stock up on non-perishable items > you > > use regularly. > > > > Do also remember that there are people - like > > myself - who already have a limited diet for > > medical reasons. Some substantial surgery a few > > years back means there are a lot of foods I > can't > > digest. So it's sensible to make sure I have > some > > supplies of the non-freah foods that I can eat, > in > > case they're suddenly less available than > normal. > > > Then you obviously would be entitled (if it makes > you feel more comfortable) to stock up on a few > things - assuming you do it well beforehand, so as > not to contribute to anti-social hoarding and > self-inflicted shortages. I still don't think you > would need to, but if it made you feel better that > would be fair enough. People without specific > conditions are different. Why though - Why should we go through this when it hasn't happened since the war just because of some liars. If perhaps the EU could just organise a passport for those of us that wanted dual nationality but had no connections to do so it would solve things for us.

I used the Amazon lockers in Peckham - it actually worked :)

diable rouge Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > "Most" EU goods will be waved through dozens of > British ports to avoid any traffic delays if > Britain leaves without a deal on 29 March. > > This must be that taking back control of our > borders thingymajig that everyone keeps talking > about... Drug & people smugglers will have noticed I expect.

Not 100% Brexit but Sajid Javid got taken down by John Bercow when he couldn't be bothered to show up for the anti knife crime initiative. Bercow is now out to reign this government in a bit at every opportunity it seems. https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/john-bercow-calls-on-rude-sajid-javid-to-up-his-game-after-he-misses-knife-crime-policy-grilling-in-a4057331.html

robbin Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The most likely scenario leading to any shortages > is that idiots on social media (either that have > an axe to grind, or are just plain stupid) or the > 24 hour news media itself, talk up the possibility > of a 'food shortage' to such an extent that people > start stocking up and thereby create a 'shortage' > (for others). I'm sure some on here would like > that to happen, but most would not. In my view it > is sensible to plan for the worst case scenario if > you are a government or a business, but equally it > is reckless and anti-social to try to whip up > hysteria about something that will never happen or > which is extremely unlikely to happen. now who would whip up hysteria. https://edition.cnn.com/2019/01/11/uk/no-deal-brexit-shops-additional-security-gbr-scli-intl/index.html don't panic

robbin Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Common sense, mostly. > > Have you reached a contrary view? If so, was it > based solely on hysteria, or on something else (as > well)? Even if you believe that project fear is made up, beware the self fulfilling prophecy.

JoeLeg Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Well, given that the Queen hasn?t really made a > secret of the fact that she backs Bre it, I > wouldn?t be surprised if she decided to run away > and hide if it doesn?t go well. That was only one source (LauraK couldn't run with it due to the aingle source) and the hat :)

Alan Medic Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Yeah it is. Hello Quids and Mick. France literally > threw it away or at least passed it away. In the > old days fumbling the ball like North did would > have been a knock on. And I would have been > younger! > Still I reckon there are quite a few games where > the predictions will be split this season. All to > predict for. GSPs may prove crucial. Same for England's last try maybe ? It's having the ball under control I think. But they were always going to give both.

cella Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I've had a response from the company overseeing > the work who have said that they're sorry for the > stress caused and that the issues rauised will be > dealt with in the appropriate manner. Personally I > feel that this isn't very transparent and surely > an apology from the actual contractor is the basic > first step? That's like saying sorry for the way you feel rather than what they did - but that's the way everyone writes apologies now.

Adam Boulton: Are you stockpiling, I know people who are. He's married to Anji Hunter - Tony Blair's old spin doctor so I reckon the Blair set are :)

Oh Gawd - the EU described Gibraltar as a colony and it's all going to kick off. More time-wasting and headline generating ?