JohnL

Theresa May wants to get rid of the backstop. It's like groundhog day - she can't move on.

keano77 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Like most people on here I have no idea where > we?ll end up after this Brexit confusion. I > suspect we?ll end up with a soft Brexit that will > prompt the question why did we bother to vote for > leave in the first place. > > What is interesting are the pictures of Michel > Barnier in the papers and on telly since > parliament rejected May?s deal. > > Contrast that with pictures of Barnier since > Parliament rejected the deal. A worried man who is > savvy enough to realise politics will now now step > in to override his efforts. He realises his > efforts over the past two years could be > sacrificed for political expediency and he could > end up looking like a patsy. > > That?s politics. Janus-faced. We live in exciting > times Pride really shouldn't come into it - the systems should be examined - After this is all over both the EU and the UK need to go through how this could have been done better (or avoided as the case may be).

TheCat Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > You may argue that this situation is more > tolerable for you than the short term recession > which I reluctantly accept might be a risk....well > that's personal preferences, personal risk > tolerance, and perhaps agree to disagree. But if > you haven't considered some of the drawbacks of > the EU project as well as the benefits, then > perhaps you share some of that 'confusion' you so > willingly ascribe to leave voters.... Well I'm over 50 with no children :) But for lots of youngsters the advantage of EU was you could get on your bike and find a job (or set-up a business) anywhere in the whole continent.

Oh-Oh here we go with Mad Mrs May https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/theresa-may-human-rights-act-repeal-brexit-echr-commons-parliament-conservatives-a8734886.html

Well the government say they may give pharmacists emergency powers to replace patients medicine with something similar or reduce dosages. If that's a lie it's extremely irresponsible. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/brexit-no-deal-medicine-prescription-drug-stockpiling-shortages-nhs-matt-hancock-health-a8672021.html

StraferJack Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Alex - a lot of that sounds sensible. And if it's > where we landed I wouldn't be too upset. But it > asks an awful lot of too many countries to, again, > "Trust us", when it will probably simply lead to > outrage from brexiteers and those countries > wathcing us have another meltdown for several more > months (which we don't have) > > John - sorry, I don't quite get the gist of what > you are saying there. I think I agree with you and > you are making same point as me? Yes - we've lost so much trust already (seen by some as the mad nation in Europe), we may not meet our commitments, so why should they not trust we may do something dodgy with medicines (dilute them to go round anyone ?) Apparently one German TV station uses that picture of a British shoe being shot as it's standard Brexit background.

A bit of evidence there is already a shortage of some medicines as stockpiles are made.

StraferJack Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > UK might argue "well we won't change anything in > medicines. trust us. No need to be uptight old > chaps" But we're not paying any of our share of commitments we agreed to.

I suspect that some people supporting no deal (and I'm not suggesting that is those on this board) have money either ready or offshore and see an opportunity to buy up assets after a crash. I also notice lots of leavers around who have already taken up dual nationality - so keeping freedom of movement (mind I'd bite your hand off for an Irish passport at present :) ). There's a bit of 'I'm alright jack'

Trinnydad Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > alex_b Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Trinnydad Wrote: > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > And they certainly wouldn?t have signed a > > > withdrawal agreement until the so-called > future > > > trading relationship was agreed. It goes > > against > > > the basic principle of ?it's not agreed until > > it's > > > ALL agreed?. > > > > This approach is prescribed in Article 50, how > do > > you propose the government should have got > around > > that? Certainly triggering Article 50 and then > > complaining you're bound by the obligations of > > this seems pretty silly. > > > What was silly was settling a withdrawal agreement > whereby our "negotiators" gave up on the redlines > and conceded ?45bn plus subordination to the ECJ > and backstop etc, etc, etc. They should have said > at the beginning we are going WTO and nothing's > agreed until its all agreed. > > Also, knowing that France and Germany would be out > to start sh@fting the UK from day one (which they > did), our lot should have been setting up > preliminary trade negotiations in advance with > other countries. OK, in principle it's against the > so called rules for an EU member to do this, but > it's what should have been done to show we were > serious. > > > The UK HAD a strong bargaining position - given > that the EU (Germany, France & Spain in > particular) have a huge trade surplus with us. > Another bargaining chip that was given away for > nothing is the fact that there are almost half a > million Poles here who could have been made to > apply for work permits. Add to that the thousands > of Irish, Portuguese, Spaniards etc etc who are > working here. Their aggregate numbers must exceed > by a factor of 7 or 8 the number of Brits working > in the EU. I think everyone (remain and leave) agree now that a lot should and could have been done before triggering A50 - we should have decided where we were going and what sort of Brexit we wanted before triggering it..

Blah Blah Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > JohnL Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > James Goddard and his slightly right of centre > > mates are out for a p*ss up by the way on > Saturday > > - Everyone invited, Lords, Ladies, MPs, Leavers > > and Remainers, all except the corrupt global > > establishment (Anna Soubry) > > > > > https://twitter.com/JGoddard230616/status/10859014 > > > 80144580609 > > They will be running into the Women's March - > minus James of course, because he is banned from > London for 28 days - conditions of his bail after > being arrested for his behaviour the other week. Nobody will snitch on him surely :) Sometimes I feel his group are getting absorbed into the mainstream Westminster bubble - then they chant something and I realise they're still crazy right wingers

diable rouge Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > This is very interesting, this article is saying > that the EU can unilaterally offer the UK an > extension to A50. It would then be up to the UK > whether to accept it or not. Might be a way for > May to save face by not being seen to go back to > the EU with cap in hand for an extension, and > continue trying to sell her > deal...https://twitter.com/JolyonMaugham/status/10 > 85937231540436993 It's sensible to extend but .. how many times has she said "We are leaving the EU on March 29th" Her strident claims will come back and bite her as once that promise goes ...

James Goddard and his slightly right of centre mates are out for a p*ss up by the way on Saturday - Everyone invited, Lords, Ladies, MPs, Leavers and Remainers, all except the corrupt global establishment (Anna Soubry) https://twitter.com/JGoddard230616/status/1085901480144580609

keano77 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I can lend you an abacus Rendel if you wish to > correct your statistics. You might even find > moving the beads around therapeutic as you appear > to be in a bit of a mood. Whoever this lot are and it looks like some religous cult looking at the background I like "In general, one third didn't vote, one third voted Remain and one third voted Leave" Obviously not intensely involved in UK politics or they'd realise they're playing with fire rounding it up like that LOL. http://www.humantruth.info/brexit_vote.html

Minitoots Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > We have 2 elderly parents in residential care and > had to sell their house to pay for the fees. Their > savings will run out in the next few months. We'd > naively assumed that the local council in their > area would meet the costs once funds ran out, but > have now discovered that the most they will offer > is about 50% of the total fee and we don't have > funds to meet the top up either. Apparently the > council may even decide they do not need to be in > residential care. Has anyone else been in this > very worrying situation? > > I've contacted 'Age UK' for advice, and also > 'Independent age', and also spoke to the Care > Advice line (a charity which advises on financing > care etc) - they were extremely well informed, > but I'm wondering if there is anyone else we can > talk to to find out more before approaching the > local social services in their part of the country > as we would like to be as well prepared as > possible before they both have their care needs > assessment, and before we discuss anything with > them. > > What a start to the new year!! Is this the issue ? "If the person paying the top-up fee can no longer afford to pay it, the council has to carry out a new care needs assessment before deciding what to do. They won?t be able simply to move you to a cheaper care home to resolve the need for the top-up fee. For more information, call us on 0800 319 6789 to arrange to speak to an adviser." https://www.independentage.org/information/support-care/paying-for-care/care-home-top-up-fees

Claimed ages ago but paid a commission of 20% odd (so if you can do it yourself and there are guides you save). I got a few thousand back.

Mr Corbyn has written a letter telling all Labour Members of Parliament telling them not to speak to Mrs May until she takes no deal off the table. Hilary Benn and Yvette Cooper still attended today in there capacities of chairpersons of cross parliamentary committees. In some ways I agree with him as she's acting deplorably but we're all meant to communicate to improve things.

She's brought back another vote for 29th. I think she's getting fixated on her own deal.

I never ring unknown numbers back - if it's important they'll leave a message or get in touch. or am I blase :)

Boy George Osborn comment in the Standard "Alongside the worst manifesto and worst conference speech in history, Mrs May has now added to her list of prime ministerial achievements the biggest government defeat in history."

fishbiscuits Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The pizza is OK... it's not exactly a gourmet > destination. Think enormous Pizza Hut style > pizzas, cut into slices and re-heated when you > order them. Consider it fast food, you won't be > disappointed. And I quite like American style > pizza, anyway. > > You can go in just for drinks too - in fact I > think a lot of people do. It's really just a large > bar with a counter at the end serving pizza. I grab a pizza which they will usually keep hot for me - and have a drink or two.

diable rouge Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Jules-and-Boo Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > > If I was a betting man, I know where I would > put > > my money. > > Go on, you know you want > to...https://twitter.com/ChrisJones_1/status/10855 > 18256792834049 It won't pay if there's an extension obviously.

Cross Party Talks without Corbyn hmmm. They may not like each other much but that isn't going to work (May seems to want to peel away Yvette Cooper and the heads of committees)

German MEP (Hans-Olaf Henkel) seems to be doing the rounds of Radio and TV saying that the UK should be offered a special status deal within the EU where we control migration (I thought we already did) and some other things. Farage - more war comparisons "Former UKIP leader Nigel Farage says Theresa May has shown a "total failure of leadership", and has acted like the leader of a "nation defeated in war". "If she had any sense of honour, she'd be gone by lunchtime today," he adds."

Try the numbers the Telegraph article suggests and copy in the CEO to emails. [email protected] https://www.telegraph.co.uk/bills-and-utilities/broadband/virgin-media-make-customer-services-listen-complaint/