JohnL

We will get Visa free travel to the EU no matter what (Sky News just reported). But that doesn't mean freedom of movement - just that we have a scheme like the US I think.

Very softly softly Lithuania is after our FinTechs "In particular, the Lithuanian delegation led by Marius Jurgilas, a board member at the Bank of Lithuania ... 'We are not saying that we will be attracting top firms from the fintech hub of the world, which is and always will be London, to the new booming financial sector in Lithuania, no,? he said. ?But there is a huge flow of firms ? and we want to participate in that flow ? who want to hedge the risk of Brexit.'" https://www.forbes.com/sites/joewalleneurope/2018/10/28/how-has-lithuania-become-one-of-europes-most-exciting-fintech-hotspots/

Ahh a twist from yesterday I didn't notice. Some in the EU are suggesting that the backstop issue can be resolved ... by committing to a permanent Customs Union. That might bring Jeremy Corbyn and Labour on board to support Mays deal thus over-riding the ERG (and now she's talking to him). May could sell it as something a future PM could rescind to allow UK independent trade negotiations. https://www.buzzfeed.com/alexwickham/ministers-think-a-permanent-customs-union-with-the-eu-is

diable rouge Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > If and when we Brexit, Leavers are in for a shock > when we have to start negotiating as a single > country with big hitters like the US and China... My thoughts exactly - If we struggle with the Brexit talks we'll be steamrollered by the US and China (and others)

Angelina Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Dominating talks and negotiating are not the same > thing. > > They are not negotiating. As the former Greek Finance minister said they do a form of negotiating that is very like telling you what to do. Am I wrong to want an organisation like that to be working in my interests though - or is that just selfish :) 4 mins or so into this video ...

robbin Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > John - I'm not really following your point. Is it > that the UK will have to keep paying into the EU > in a no deal scenario? If so, the reality is set > out in the article: > "Officials admit they cannot force the UK to make > any payments once it has left the bloc, though > they hope Britain will take up the offer." > > Or was your point something different? They can't force UK to continue paying but it just seemed funny even to a remainer like me - dodgy builder: the plan is you just keep paying us mate - we'll do the job later.

?What we were thinking" EU comes up with it's no deal plan (and I'm not trying to wind up leavers) https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/no-deal-brexit-uk-eu-payments-deal-talks-european-commission-a8754226.html

Looks like Theresa Mays done the dirty on the ERG again. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jan/30/theresa-may-under-pressure-to-revamp-brexit-negotiating-team?CMP=share_btn_tw No one ever learns.

keano77 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I suspect Juncker meant Ireland?s border marks a > border within which The EU treaties operate. > > The EU is an organisation of member states, not a > state in itself. Note the recent demotion of its > diplomats by Trumps? team much to the EU?s > displeasure I see it as transfer of sovereignty. We gave/loaned some to the EU - so the EU itself does have some sovereignty. I see France's permanent UN Security Council seat moving to the EU one day (sorry French Nationalists).

Yes - it is ever closer union (well was). Didn't a Dane say : "There are two kinds of European nations. There are small nations and there are countries that have not yet realized they are small nations."

keano77 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Jean Claude Juncker, talking about the backstop, > said: > > ?...Ireland?s border is Europe?s border...? > > Potential can of worms there surely. Since when > has the EU been a transnational state? Customs Union ? But there are many other supranational agreements the EU make - so I'd say it does have a border.

Compared the Half Moon and The Crown & Greyhound on trip adviser yesterday. How is there such a difference - shouldn't they be run on similar lines ?

Wow - Wales tipped on Sky News by Will Greenwood - we're done for then.

well I tried not to have a twitter meltdown :) But beginning to agree with lots of leavers - sack all of them and replace - it's just the method.

"I thank the gentleman for his intervention and his brief declaration of his leadership intentions" Corbyn just landed one on Gove (revenge for last week).

Father of the House Ken Clarke: "This is an almost unique political crisis. The public at the moment are looking upon our political system with something near to contempt. In the last month or two I have listened to what I - as a fairly experienced member here now - consider extraordinary nonsense about sweeping away centuries of tradition and destroying our procedures." He gets it at least.

TE44 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks robbin, I can't see how EMA could continue > without preparing for the changes and uncertainty > of a no deal. The case above Sidhue has mentioned > Seems similiar to what is happening with Peckham > Rye business at this moment. It was mentioned it > was down to the renter to insure themselves. > Wouldn't an organisation like EMA be insured? > The thing about law is it often loses connection > with everyday people in huge cases like this. > There seems to be no room to individually look at > circumstances, where the outcome seems to be > dettered by who is representing you. Some references in here https://culs.org.uk/per-incuriam/articles/not-your-typical-brexit-article-brexit-and-contracts/ Would the EU actually pay up in a no deal (if we didn't pay up our ?39B)- why should they ?

jimbo1964 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > cella Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Phew - might be more sensible! > > More sensible than what? I think Cella meant my comment about The Punisher (which implies vigilantism)

Theresa May wants to re-negotiate the WA. Good luck with that. The EMA - Sell this piece of bad memory https://www.politico.eu/article/london-brexit-europe-house-dont-bet-on-britain-getting-the-house-in-the-divorce/ and move the EU UK reach out team to the old EMA offices :) Simples. I don't know why the EU still want Smith Square.

?For operational and accounting reasons, we have concluded that the best course of action is to re-flag all ships to be under the Cyprus flag,? says P&O.

The Mogg/Morgan compromise seems to have got what it deserved. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jan/29/brexit-tories-unite-to-back-compromise-giving-theresa-may-extra-time-transition-period Not sure if this is a threat ( actually trace it back and you see the leave threats as usual) :)

robbin Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I keep asking myself when it became ok in a > negotiation, (i) to tell the other side you are > really scared of certain possible outcomes in > advance of a deal or (ii) to hand over concessions > with nothing in return. Does anyone in the real > world ever conduct commercial negotiations like > that? Not in my experience they don't. Quite why > all these commercially inexperienced civil > servants/politicians seem to think that those are > competent approaches to a negotiation fails me. They are a tank we're a mini that thinks we're a tank. to clarify my comment - we are one country bargaining with a conglomerate of countries acting in concert and our plan seemed to be to split them and they rumbled it.

No food it is then.

reds Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > As for the Crown and Greyhound... nothing has > changed. Should be great but appallingly managed. The Dog has become the Theresa May of pubs it seems - I haven't visited for a year.

cella Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > jimbo1964 Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > I'll keep my eyes peeled for the bastard. > > > And what then? I watched three back to back episodes of 'The Punisher' last night - but I'd still say report his whereabouts on 101.