JohnL

It won't be flats :) Gowlett always has a New Years Day party - Hope it happens

If you look at the EUs timetable http://www.europarl.europa.eu/unitedkingdom/en/ukevents/brexit.html#shadowbox/1/ The EU parliament votes -> EU concludes deal with exiting member -> Individual parliaments vote - but only on future agreements (trade etc). I'd say UK parliament will vote about the same time as EU parliament and before individual parliaments. I'm absolutely sure a final stay offer will come (like Sky offering 60% discount as you cancel)

The problem with the festival going youngsters is they have no idea of pub etiquette grumble grumble young people grumble no its OK :)

malumbu Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > JoeLeg Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > > > > first place- to plunder. > > > > Industry? We screwed ourselves there, by > refusing > > to recognise that the rest of the world was > > outpacing us. I'm a big fan of unions, but even > I > > know that in the 70's and 80's they did a lot > of > > damage through believing they were invincible. > > > > I'm sure you meant this to be a balanced view but > I think this needs further comment. This was a > different world. Large private companies, massive > state sector, trade unions negotiating terms and > conditions was right and made sense. Trade unions > were born of a time when workers were being killed > and mutilated in factories, mills and pits with no > protections and no compensation. > > They are membership organisation and express the > will of the membership. They are not an evil > entity. Of course in the 60s and 70s the tens > millions of members were often more militant and > had much greater expectations. Essentially the > product was crap, the working practices crap, > production was crap, and we were suffering from > years of sitting our haunches not investing and > moving with the times. British motorcycle > industry a prime example. > > And even that is a gross generalisation as it is a > crime that areas were we were world leaders and > had invested, railway technology, aviation some > elements of computing, we lost our competitive > advantage. > > Anyway I am ranting. Brexit will not bring us > back to some rose tinted view of British > manufacturing from the 1950s to mid 60s. So apart > from overstating the impact of the unions very > much agreeing. What I miss in a union is if I have an issue or want something I have to ask myself and it can get personal - I'd love to "hide" behind the union whilst being a jolly and happy worker :) My German colleagues have Workers Councils - and it seems to benefit them (although some changes happen slower because of them).

LOL That ain't happening :) :) "The Archbishop of Canterbury has called for a Christmas truce in the increasingly bitter row between politicians over Brexit. Justin Welby called for a "ceasefire" on the use of insults, "personalised attacks" and "pejorative terms" as the process of leaving the European Union continues."

Sue Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > dbboy Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Why harm or kill such beautiful and elegant > > creatures, beggars belief. Can only hope they > get > > caught. Prison or a fine is too good for them, > > they deserve something much worse. > > > Someone who would do this is clearly not well and > needs help. > > What is the "much worse" you think they deserve? > > I say that as an animal lover. Named, shamed and denounced by the Queen - although Charles would probably do it now. Could it be the cat killer

Socrates31 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > ok so I've done a pre-order with mons... 3 cheeses > and some crackers, min 250g, ?40, amazing cheese > but my gosh nearly fell to the floor with the > price... Maybe some palates can taste the difference. I'll stock up on loads of supermarket cheese - Stilton, Jarlsberg, Camembert etc. :)

Daily Mail on about Traitors again. Even Sky points out they're going to use that to be seen as heroes - and will be more likely to rebel again.

SebC - check the company webpage and see who they use for reading meters (just google it), ring the company and check and if it's not them report even if nothings missing. A lot of people I thought dodgy are genuine mind. I had a call from "my bank" the other day and was sure they were fake - they even got the location wrong (in my opinion anyway - maybe not in theirs) - but on ringing back on a different phone - they were good and were offering me something I'd find useful :)

Guy Verhofstadt has tweeted that as he has now seen what David Davis said and it is unhelpful and undermines trust, European Parliament text will now reflect this and insist agreement is translated into legal text ASAP. Well done Davis you clown :)

Sounds like the upgrade mine went through last week (which wanted another reload after it seemed complete). Mine seemed to download ASUS drivers but not sure where from (it's an ASUS) You can't work with the thing being scared to reload mind - then it's running you :)

More Info https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/12/11/hp_synaptics_keylogger/

rendelharris Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > intexasatthe moment Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Where does dropping chewing gum come in to the > > scheme of things ? In my book a worse offence . > > Same fine - harder to catch though I assume as the > charmers just spit it out as they walk, so the > warden would have to be looking in the right place > at the right time. They'll stick it to the underneath of seats etc. :) What about spitting then ?

Cardelia Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I second Trinity, especially if someone else is > paying! > > The Camberwell Arms is hugely overrated in my > experience. When I went there they had a huge > issue with seasoning (virtually no salt on > anything) and they seemed unable to cook a pork > chop correctly. They then had the gall to claim > that it was meant to be black, dry and tough! > After sending it back the second chop was only > marginally more acceptable, but they took so long > to cook it that hunger won out over the desire to > have a properly cooked meal. I hope my experience > is atypical, but I have no intention of going back > to find out. All the salt was taken by the Turkish restaurant opposite then :) (and I like the turkish place - it's meant to be salty)

peterstorm1985 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > JohnL Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > > > > > Saw an article where someone got let off > putting > > it in a grating - but it went to appeal. > > What was the outcome of the appeal? In principle I > would have thought it was fly-tipping as the storm > drain is not a waste receptacle for public use. it was an old post on AVForums(2013) from Belfast and comments a bit mixed - maybe just shows things have got stricter. https://www.avforums.com/threads/i-managed-to-get-my-littering-fine-retracted-was-i-lucky-or-did-i-deserve-to-pay-it.1825710/page-2

rendelharris Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > bobbsy Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > So let's say you drop something and someone > tries > > to give you a fine - why would you give them > your > > details and not just walk off? > > They will call the police - seen it happen in > Brixton. Failure to give your details is a > criminal offence. > > On a sidenote, does dropping a butt down a grating > - storm drains etc - constitute littering (I mean > legally)? Saw an article where someone got let off putting it in a grating - but it went to appeal.

they'll take a photo I bet.

David Davis has now apparently retracted yesterdays comments. I never understand him anyway. "Davis, the Brexit secretary, retracted the suggestion he made yesterday that the UK could back out of the commitments it had made on the Irish border. He said his comments had been misinterpreted. " https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2017/dec/11/theresa-may-statement-brexit-mps-commons-davis-seeks-to-heal-rift-with-ireland-over-brexit-deal-politics-live

Government is spinning this phase one agreement to mean different things to different people - OK that's what happens and no doubt Ireland and the EU have tried as well. But 27 nations have to sign off on phase 1 still - and antagonising them doesn't help. https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/some-of-you-irish-need-to-get-over-yourselves-sky-presenter-defends-coveney-interview-1.3321769

Sue Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > lavender27 Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Would you want to share rooms with complete > > strangers, with no privacy or security. The > mind > > boggles. > > > > I've done it many times when travelling, with no > problems apart from other people snoring :)) I've been known to wake up with a scream - sleep paralysis type thing

OK I'm not very religious but for those who are especially Catholics - can he ? He says Satan leads us into temptation, not God, but Satan comes under Gods domain IMHO - they even had a friendly chat about Job once (I went to Sunday school for years which is why I have an interest). https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/dec/08/lead-us-not-into-mistranslation-pope-wants-lords-prayer-changed

if it's Windows 10 - right hand click on the "start" button (or whatever they call it) and choose 'device manager' - in there is a 'keyboards' section. If you can identify the keyboard there you can either try to update or choose properties and try 'rollback' maybe try looking at the events tab in the keyboard properties list too. I'm guessing a bit here mind you.

Maybe this from the Guardian explains it "The first, and biggest, concession is buried in paragraph 49 of the 15-page report published early on Friday morning. Its implications will be anything but quiet in the weeks to come, for it undermines the prime minister?s previous insistence that Britain will be leaving the single market. It states clearly: ?In the absence of agreed solutions, the United Kingdom will maintain full alignment with those rules of the internal market and the customs union.? In other words, the UK may not be a member of the single market, or have any direct ability to shape its rules in future, but it could yet have to play by them in perpetuity." https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/dec/08/not-much-remain-theresa-may-red-lines-brexit-deal

Twitter full of howls of betrayal and traitor from brexiters and especially Leave.EU who are apoplectic Remainers saying we're staying in the single market (don't know where they're getting that from) It all seems a fudge to me :)

Farage "A deal in Brussels is good news for Mrs May as we can now move on to the next stage of humiliation." Come on Nigel back Britain.