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Thanks :)

Jeremy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Boring and lifeless? Just because people aren't > all excited about sodding NYE? It's almost always > an anti-climax. Spending it at home with friends > and/or family with a bit of grub and a few bottles > is a much better idea. > > But if you absolutely must have a night out, then > I agree that local is better than venturing into > central London. I believe the Flying Pig will have > no entry charge. Just made me sad thinking about how the millennium bug destroyed the turn of the millennium all nigh party - we all had to work. Highlight of 31/12/1999 - some user couldn't log on and 20 IT staff turn up to help :)

I remember the huge 1999 anti climax people working or on call no-one in pubs Never really bothered with NYE since. Edit : Mind -- noticed Cherry Tree has tickets to print on their thread - assume first come gets in until full ??

rfolgado Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > From a wider london/financing perspective, yes, > OKR is the natural home for a bakerloo line > extension. > > I think both Peckham and Camberwell would benefit > greatly from improvements to the current > infrastructure (in lieu of new lines) - e.g. hope > the peckham rye station is rebuilt in '16, Denmark > Hill station should be reinstated and the phoenix > pub kicked out, the overground should stop at > Brixton and at the new OKR bakerloo line stop, all > the 3 stations in Elephant & Castle (train, > northern, jubilee) need to be brought together > (its a mess currently), more thameslink and > southeastern trains stopping at our stations, > including trains to Gatwick etc etc. > > We don't need a multi-billion pound new line, the > current facilities just need to be improved and > integrated. And since we were shortchanged with > the bakerloo line consultation, i'd expect the > demands to be made now. Still disagree on the Phoenix - there will be a better solution. They'd probably replace it with luxury flats if they could mind :) Suppose there will be investment opportunities for those with money on OKR.

Just watch Pretty Little Liars - nothing ever happens - perfect for dozing. and 5 series :)

Otta Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Salsaboy Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > I'm getting less tolerant as I get older. > > > Me too. I'm more tolerant but grumpier

In the Standard http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/bakerloo-line-extension-to-bypass-peckham-but-tubes-could-reach-lewisham-by-2030-a3140041.html "TfL has said it will seek planning permission for the work in 2020 should the proposals be given the green light BY WHOM?." "Richard de Cani, TfL's managing director for planning, cautioned that "no final decisions have been made" on whether the extension would go ahead." My feeling still says this isn't going to happen - there's 5 years for someone to say "forget it".

Jah Lush Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Glad I'm away from all that shite. Office parties, > once a year drinkers and vomitarians. The streets > of the city will be awash with it tomorrow night. Recently seen people queueing up single file at the bar (more than one pub too). What's that about ?

Alan Medic Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Is midnight mass an obligation or a religious > experience? Being from a Catholic family, > Christmas eve in my teens involved going to the > pub, pretending you went to midnight mass (to > avoid having to go the following day), and instead > going to the local posties flat to get stoned with > the big boys. St.John's by the way was a place > they sent the alcoholics to, to recover. They stopped Midnight Mass in my local village in Wales as everyone turned up drunk (thought ours was CoE though). Moved it to earlier in the day.

Otta Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Although one does have to take one's hat off and > give it up for the OP for this masterful bit of > trolling. Start the thread, leave to simmer, come > back and throw in some spices, and bang, an > explosive dish that's wound people up over 2 > separate forums whilst they sit back and laugh. > > Nice work. That was the original definition of Trolling IIRC. :) No abuse just stirring nicely.

Ahhh - I see the flaw in the analysis - no we have Thameslink. "The Camberwell and Peckham Rye route option would, by comparison, serve more established town centres that have existing travel markets with new high frequency and fast rail services into the heart of the West End."

Sweptwind Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > TFL have just published this document indicating > why they're going for Old Kent Road and not > Peckham. Better to get something built somewhere > in South East London so it might benefit someone - > rather than nothing at all (if you went via > Camberwell) > > https://consultations.tfl.gov.uk/tube/bakerloo-ext > ension/user_uploads/bakerloo-ext---options-selecti > on-summary-report.pdf I hope they don't try and get money from new Camberwell and Peckham developments.

I walked out of mine the very moment free drinks stopped. Hopefully nobody noticed :)

Vick Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The momey doesn't come from property developers to > Tfl, it's the other way round Not what they claimed back in 2014 http://www.standard.co.uk/news/transport/government-funds-may-not-be-needed-for-3bm-bakerloo-line-extension-says-city-hall-9766444.html http://www.rail.co.uk/rail-news/2014/tube-extensions/ "Who pays? Whatever routeis selected, it will not be a cheap project! Extending the Bakerloo line to Hayes will cost up to ?3 billion and TfL will be consulting with the London boroughs affected to identify funding options. These could be similar to the Crossrail and the Northern Line Extension projects where funding includes contributions from new residential and commercial developments along the proposed extension." In other words funded by Gentrification tax - although I'm sure the US Embassy was involved in Battersea - there's no embassies going to Old Kent Road.

I suggest a new manager - one who will be tough on drumming. South Americans are in vogue.

LondonMix Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Okay, because you think the police don't care > about crime in poor areas (again, your assumption) > from there you extrapolate that the areas have > become so radicalized that the police won't go > there? > > Is that the argument? Where in London are these > terrorist radicalized areas that are no go areas > for the police? > I do remember this video doing the rounds (immigration officers in Rye Lane) provoking the notion Rye Lane is no go for some reason (look at the comments). The Rye Lane I know is nothing like that of course - If I dropped a cigarette there I'd be pulled :).

Pretend you're the local Pizza place and say 30 are on there way.

Some people (camberwell/peckham) are pleased - seeing transport links as gentrification facilitators. The whole thing does seem profit driven (getting new people in an area rather than looking after people already there). "Next up are the Bakerloo Line extension and Crossrail 2. The former could create vanishing acts in Camberwell and Peckham Rye, or along the Old Kent Road, depending which route is chosen." From http://www.theguardian.com/cities/2015/jun/24/which-london-neighbourhoods-will-disappear-next

Telegraph disagreed (before Paris but taking it into account) http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/oilprices/12032020/Dont-write-off-the-future-of-oil-and-gas-just-yet.html Electric could actually be produced by Coal, Gas, Nuclear or other. If the government really wanted to push alternatives fund the Swansea lagoon - instead of delaying. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-west-wales-34420631

I read that nothing is obligatory Everyone will preach and ignore.

bil Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Disappointing but expected news from the TfL > commissioner. > > Interesting that he didn't share the details of > the 'work' that he mentioned in the report "Since > then we have undertaken further work on a number > of alternative routes proposed during the initial > consultation. The results of that work demonstrate > that the preferred route option for a first phase > is from Elephant and Castle to Lewisham via Old > Kent Road." I thought the consultation showed > there was more support for Camberwell route > (albeit because there aren't as many residents in > the proposed OKR development area able to > contribute to the consultation). > Money considerations outweighed people considerations IMHO. Looking at the history of the Bakerloo Line extension however over the last 100 years - and you would say why would this plan be any different to the others? (nothing happened).

"Subject to funding and securing powers could be completed by 2030" The above to me reads as never (subject to.. could) being rather cynical :)

Sweptwind Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > http://content.tfl.gov.uk/board-20151217-pt1-item0 > 5-commissioner-report.pdf > > Page 38 refers to the Bakerloo Line extension. The > rest is worth a read too. Thanks - My search skills have let me down :)

As I said before We'll have flying cars by the time either gets built :) It'll never get done in my lifetime (I'm 49) Edit : and that link just references itself - where's the report ?? #backtothefuture

Huggers Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > even Jesus only had to spend 40 days and nights in > the wilderness. But Jesus got tempted by the Devil.