LondonMix

It looks like MeatLiquor will be done soon. Has anyone eaten at their other branches? Also, I've heard a place called Spinach is opening on Lordship Lane. Does anyone know where?

Noticed the hording is finally down. Maybe it will be opened by this month as suggested. The flats have already gone on the market so seems like they are almost there.

Sunfold is who we used and they are very good. They have ex display doors that if you are flexible about the size of your opening represent good value for money.

Yes, I received the same response. I hope this can get the attention it needs. Unfortunately, the country has plunged itself into a political and economic crisis via Brexit which means ordinary government business is unlikely to get as much attention as otherwise would be the case. My DH works for a body reporting into parliament and they have shelved a major initiative as they know there will be zero time for parliament to consider it for years to come.

Hmm? I'm not saying they shouldn't provide a description to the police. I'm just not sure what good it will do posting a 'for identification' description that's so vague on the forum. Asking people to post sightings seems a bit of an ask based on white guy in hoodie with mixed race friend. Of course, I expect the police will build up a profile based on multiple incidents reported to them and hopefully capture the men in question.

I tend to agree alice. A really detailed description of course can be helpful but a vague description really isn't much use and may unintentionally lead to someone innocent being harassed by a member of the public.

Also, who wouldn't let their 16 year old in broad daylight with a friend walking along Barry Road. Knowing where your kids are has absolutely nothing to do with this. Glad no one was hurt and I hope they recover the bike. To the OP-- would it be possible to add height, build or even an age estimate to the muggers' descriptions? Hair color or eye color, particularly of the white mugger would be useful. White guy in a hoodie is so vague, I'm not sure anyone can use it to identify these guys.

I can tell you are being facetious. That building was absolutely nothing special and in need of a refurb.

Well, the building was no grade II listed gem. It was a rather unattractive mid century development. Post redevelopment it is one floor taller and has converted the office use above the shop to residential space in addition to adding in the new floors. Adding that floor might arguably be over-development but let's not pretend that the building was something it wasn't.

You can buy a two bed house for that money. The pricing of those flats is way off.

Yep. They are just doing what they said all along. WorkingMummy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > ...continuing to talk tough. The EU is saying > what the EU always said. > > Leave didn't listen. Half the voters of this > country didn't listen. > > Or didn't care.

I'm talking about their website descriptions, not signs

Well Angela Merkel has just come and quite firmly stated there will be no informal negotiations before Article 50. Let's see who will blink first now.

I think you are right-- they are marketing to the wider area and loads of Dulwich Village people hang out on LL. There isn;t the same price difference there used to be between the areas either when looking at equal sized properties so its much of a muchness now I suppose. Mick Mac Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > When I moved to East Dulwich people tried to tell > me I had moved to Peckham. No shame in that now, > it's all cool. > > I think East Dulwich is no longer the poor > relation of Dulwich, such that when people hear > Dulwich, they maybe think of East Dulwich.... the > popular part. > > Or perhaps the stores are effectively merging the > two areas into one. Let's face it no one has a > Dulwich store anyway, there is no street... so LL > is I guess Dulwich's main shopping area.

He's also of Turkish heritage. Its not ironic, it just shows the depths of his hypocrisy and ambition. Part of me wants the Leave Campaign to have no scapegoat for the likely difficulties the UK will face vis-a-vis the promises made during the campaign. However, I'm not sure I trust Boris to do the right thing for the country. I feel like more sensible, steady hands are needed to navigate through these uncharted waters. I just hope the Labor party can put in place a decent leader before the next general election which may now take place well before 2020. DulwichFox Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > It is a HUGE mistake to think of Alexander Boris > de Pfeffel Johnson as a Clown. > 'Boris' is a well educated man and a lot cleverer > than David Cameron.. > > We have all long known his ambition to become The > U.K. Prime Minister and he will most likely > acheive that ambition. > > Alexander (Boris de Pfeffel) Johnson > Born in New York City to upper middle-class > English parents, > Johnson was educated at the European School of > Brussels ... How ironic is that.. > Perhaps he knows something we all don't. > > DulwichFox

I do think the basic premise of the Leave Campaign that they could get a negotiated exit covering everything including trade before actually leaving the block was arrogant. Maybe they will, but its a huge gamble. I'm not sure it will pay off. This whole situation is so depressing. People in my office have ended friendships over this vote. I have friends that are not speaking to their parents. The stories of members of our community being verbally abused with xenophobic taunts breaks my god damn heart. The economic fall-out is one thing but this has opened up divisions in this country that will take a long time to heal. The country is tearing itself apart.

They said so repeatedly. Here is one example in old press articles before the vote on that specific element. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/eu-referendum-vote-leave-leaders-reveal-post-brexit-roadmap-7083816.html "In Brussels, informal negotiations with the EU could begin immediately after the vote, they said, and only after these ?preliminary discussions? would it be necessary to activate Article 50 of the Treaty on European Union ? the mechanism by which a member state formerly negotiates its exit from the bloc. " In this they've also stated (as they always have) that they anticipate everything being wrapped up by 2020. They know there is no way to negotiate a new trade agreement in 2 years. The EU in response repeatedly said (pre- Brexit vote) that Article 50 would trigger conversations on what to do with each others citizens etc but not trade. Only after the UK was out of Europe would the EU begin trade negotiations with the UK as they did not want the UK using the future of their citizens as a bargaining chip in trade discussions. They warned a new trade deal was at a minimum 7 years away (assuming 5 years for trade only negotiations) and that there was no guarantee that would be enough time. Details like this of course got lost in the horrific rhetoric surrounding immigration but its been clear for weeks this would be the main stand-off post Brexit if David Cameron didn't trigger Article 50 immediately as he promised he would if the Leave campaign won. intexasatthe moment Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > London Mix > > "That's what Leave has always said" that's > interesting ,do you have more detail ? Who said?

Me too. Not because I think the this decision will be reversed now but because I think when someone feels very strongly about something, that feeling needs to be expressed publicly so all our politicians and the world understands the depth of feeling. Loz Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I have never been to a political protest rally. I > am seriously considering going to this.

That's what Leave has always said. It doesn't want to negotiate with a 2 year deadline. It wants informal discussions agreeing all major issues including trade and then Article 50. The EU has said they want to discuss article 50 issues (which exclude trade) and then once the UK is out of the EU, only then commence trade negotiations. The key question is if the EU will agree to informal negotiations ahead of Article 50. Based on what certain key figures have said to date, the answer is 'no'. However, a united position from all 27 countries should hopefully come out of the EU summit scheduled for Wednesday. With no discussions, it will be a question of brinkmanship-- whoever is getting hit harder by the uncertainty will crack and shift their position. Given in Spain, Rajoy gained votes in the election on Saturday relative to last time and is a pro-EU politician, I fear the EU will have a greater political and economic ability to wait until the UK feels it has to trigger Article 50 and start the process. The UK will be much, much better off from a negotiating perspective being able to hold informal conversations without the 2 year deadline hovering over the proceedings.

Yes-- during the campaign, EU officials said that any new trade deal with the UK would follow the template of Norway, Canada or default to WTO rules. I think all of those are on the table. They made that point to say there would be no tailored made new trade agreement. midivydale Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Do people genuinely believe that the rest of > Europe has any interest at all in providing > Britain with a "Norway style" "deal"?!

I know. Some senior Brexitors have already distanced themselves from the idea of reducing immigration (its been less than 72 hours). If they really continue down this bait and switch strategy I worry what it will do to the country. There is now a galvanised hardcore anti-immigration population in the UK. If they believe the Tory party has wilfully deceived them what will that give rise too. Its an incredibly dangerous game... WorkingMummy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > LondonMix Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > The reason they want to delay triggering > Article > > 50 is because the two year time frame for exit > put > > the UK at a negotiating disadvantage. Even > during > > the campaign this was openly acknowledged. > > > > What Leave hope to achieve is informal > agreement > > on trade and other key issues before trigger > > Article 50. In total they acknowledge it will > > take at least 4 years to put in place the > > agreements Britain needs. > > > > What the EU wants is for Article 50 to be > > triggered and to only deal with issues covered > by > > article 50: citizens rights etc but NOT trade. > > They are proposing only negotiating on trade > after > > the UK is out of the EU. The EU has come out > and > > explicitly stated they don't want the UK to use > > the rights of their citizens living in Britain > as > > a bargaining chip during trade negotiations and > so > > they want them to be two completely separate > > discussion happening in sequence rather than in > > parallel. > > > > Trigger Article 50 basically guarantees than > the > > UK will leave the EU without a new trade > agreement > > unless all 27 countries grant and extension or > if > > the government adopts the Norway model. > > Yes but LM what that doesn't factor in (but BJ > knows and is just sick about), is that my Auntie > Masie and Uncle Stan did not vote for a Norway > style settlement. Which means no lower > immigration, less control over borders, we enter > Schengen, Calais camps move to Dover, no veto on > future EU expansion, goodbye Maggie rebate on > contributions. They really, really wanted > imaginary out out (so we magically carry on with > exactly the same economy outside of the EU with no > immigration) having no idea what real out-out > meant. They heard Gove say, "Norway rocks and it > is out!" But that was of course a huge deception > by Leave and my dear Aunt and Uncle refused to > listen to my sisters and I when we tried to > explain this. They couldn't answer any of our > points to them. They just started to talk about > the German bombing of Coventary and what chocolate > bars and bathroom cleaner used to called in 1973. > I had exactly the same conversations on this forum > (except people here just kept reverting to Control > Control while steadfastly refusing to get specific > about the chocolate bar naming EU changes they > disliked). > > Boris has no mandate to make us Norway. There is > no mandate for any 1) achievable and 2) desirable > alternative to our current position.

No-- the EU cannot force article 50 to be triggered. However, the EU may simply refuse the negotiate informally as Boris has suggested ahead of article 50 being triggered. It might end up as an impasse. In that stand-off I believe the EU has the upper hand but only time will tell. Things will be much clearer by the end of the week after the EU summit on Wednesday (the first without the UK). Louisa Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > What happens if article 50 is not invoked until a > Conservative Party leadership contest has been > decided? Will this damage our negotiating hand? > Can the EU force article 50 and the ticking clock > upon us without us notifying them? > > I do not have much time for David Cameron, but I > do think deep down he had the best interests of > the country at heart, unlike some of those on the > other side who now appear to be waking up to the > realities of brexit. > > Louisa.

Gove has come out to support Boris so no need to speculate who it will be. The mad gives me chills. He is so amoral.

The reason they want to delay triggering Article 50 is because the two year time frame for exit put the UK at a negotiating disadvantage. Even during the campaign this was openly acknowledged. What Leave hope to achieve is informal agreement on trade and other key issues before trigger Article 50. In total they acknowledge it will take at least 4 years to put in place the agreements Britain needs. What the EU wants is for Article 50 to be triggered and to only deal with issues covered by article 50: citizens rights etc but NOT trade. They are proposing only negotiating on trade after the UK is out of the EU. The EU has come out and explicitly stated they don't want the UK to use the rights of their citizens living in Britain as a bargaining chip during trade negotiations and so they want them to be two completely separate discussion happening in sequence rather than in parallel. Trigger Article 50 basically guarantees than the UK will leave the EU without a new trade agreement unless all 27 countries grant and extension or if the government adopts the Norway model.

My experience of this was 5 years gets you indefinite leave to remain. One year after that you can get citizenship. You need 5 years of employment (years studying do not count). You cannot skip straight to citizenship but indefinite leave to remain is more than secure enough from a right to live and work in the UK perspective. Good luck with the specifics. My heart goes out to you and all others directly impacted.