Louisa

Cars taking over from horses. Vanessa feltz. Thames television. Louisa.

Otta honestly, Kebab and Wine will do a shish and chips for under 7 quid. And I don't care what the snobs say, they do one of the best kebabs around SE London IMO. I've gone in there off my face after an afternoon on the juice and always walk away satisfied. Louisa.

I agree jj2, and it proves my point too. My issue is with places being out of the reach of many locals when in fact the prices could be kept lower so that all social classes could afford to eat these lovely foods. There's no need for working class cuisine to be made pretentious by some and as a result the prices going up. I also agree with you foxy, the days of eating out are becoming a rarity for me too I'm not willing to spend the best part of fifty smackers on a basic meal drinks and tip. Louisa.

jj2 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > What I would be even more happy though, would be > to see more more down-to-earth (and consequently > less expensive) places selling similar products. Hallelujah to that point. Louisa.

No offence but clearly someone with nothing better to do. First world problems and all that. The guys are doing a job, give them a break, all this health and safety bull it does my head in. Who actually stops and takes a photograph anyway? Really? Louisa.

El Pibe I feel flattered you would call a washed up EDF veteran such as myself "forum royalty" - I'm hoping this was said with tongue firmly cemented to cheek!!! :) I do love how this new thread has once again created an almost self congratulatory EDF "Oscars" style pat on the virtual back. Have we finished talking about ourselves yet? No? Good, I want it to go on forever it makes me feel warm inside. Louisa.

To be fair, I think the clique isn't necessarily one group of people all in agreement. But occasionally, certain people almost gang up on newcomers or even old timers like me to make a point. I think DulwichFox is often 'hunted' for want of a better word, by the EDF fox hunting brigade baying for blood. I remember not so many years ago I was the target of a witch hunt too just because of my forthright views and opinions. However, I think the poster above is almost certaintly the same infamous poster who trolled the forum vigorously not so long ago. Louisa.

Enjoy your curry. If you need any advice on pretentious middle England eateries in the vicinity then check my back catalogue on the forum, I'm sure I've discovered a posh curry house at some point. Louisa.

Here we go again. Yawn. Louisa.

Oh for goodness sakes spark67 at what point did I say people choosing to shop at this new establishment are horrible people? Taking my posts out of context again and more importantly swinging this thread wildly off topic. Can we stick to keeping this thread on topic please? Louisa.

I miss the days of free roast spuds at the bar on a Sunday. Those were the days. Louisa.

Never on a Sunday and Le Moulin had quite a lot in common. A sort of 70s version of something slightly exotic and different (even if it tended to be basic grub like steak and chips or grilled fish and boiled veg). That type of restaurant doesn't seem popular in London now the zeitgeist has moved onto grander more worldly cuisine and left some of us behind still craving a good honest meat and two veg meal locally once in a while. The everything with chips concept you get at a Wetherspoons type pub doesn't cut the mustard for me neither. Louisa.

???? Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > er, I don't think Sunday Roast is 'working class' > in traditions Otta, Roast Meats were for the posh Depends on the cut of meat. Brisket and Mutton alongside rabbit were working class alternatives for Sunday roasts. Louisa.

Perhaps quid but not so much a celebration based on the origins of said examples, more an opportunity to commandeer and adapt to suit their own tastes. "Oh look rabbit and offal, I think we will buy some because no-one ever eats it anymore and we can make some fancy pretentious dish and sneer at those common folk chewing on a bucket of chicken down at the bus stop" Or something like that. I still eat shallow fried Liver and kidney with onion gravy and mash, I bet that's not a dish any foodie would wish to celebrate. Louisa.

The food scene gets more sophisticated and yet what most people crave after a night out is a kebab and/or a fry up the next morning. Louisa.

Black pudding. Delicious and disgusting. Louisa.

I disagree with that worldwiser. A lot of the foods the middle classes worship in areas like this have their origins in poor working class communities in Italy, Spain et al. The difference is, in those countries food is for everyone because deeply rooted snobbery doesn't transcend into every facet of daily life. Food in particular is for all to enjoy. In this class obsessed nation, middle England sneers at the food traditions of the working class rather than celebrate them and consequently there is a huge gap between the food traditions and shopping habits of each class. Having said this, I think those barriers have or are falling away, and even the poorest in our society now enjoy a diet involving a bit of everything. It's not often you'll see one of the foody snobs of ED eating jellied eels or pie n mash though. Why can't the British food snobs be as open as their Italian counterparts? (I'd also like to remind you all that M. Manze was an Italian immigrant who opened his first pie shops to serve the dockworkers and costermongers of London). Louisa.

Nandos is my hunch for that site. With the cinema opening just down the road, it would increase footfall to this section of the lane and it would without question be popular. There I've said it. Louisa.

I'm old enough to remember 'Never on a Sunday' steak restaurant in that same spot. When the Text-Mex place took it on, Mexican cuisine was only in it's UK infancy and it was a bold step for anyone to try and make a Mexican restaurant in any form work in this country. Now of course, we are spoiled for choice and our pallets are more knowledgable. Louisa.

They became a bit of an institution along the lane, I still miss them. If Tortilla or something similar comes to the area I'll be happy. And I agree Otta, LM and others have very short memories when it comes to picking people out of the crowd and accusing them of negativity. My main point is a bit of variety would be nice, I'm not being negative towards these people as I've already said. The negativity towards the new dog shop was hardly welcoming but the folk so willing to attack my opinions on this thread were oddly quiet on that one. Strange. Louisa.

I'm in agreement Otta. I too wish them well, and I'm sure they have done their research on the area before opening up here. Just a bit disappointing that we have more Italian places when the area no longer has anywhere you can get a decent sit down Mexican meal, amongst other world culinary delights. Louisa.

Sounds disturbing. Others on the forum have reported similar things fairly recently with people tagging or marking property. It can't be much fun finding this sort of thing. Louisa.

Otta yes I've been to Thats Amore on Kirkdale it's a really nice place with friendly service. To everyone banging on about my 'negativity', as Fox suggests, talk about what you love rather than what you so dislike about another individual's personal opinions on things. We don't live in a dictatorship, and an open forum such as this is for everyone who lives in and loves East Dulwich- old and new. Clearly some of the guardianista believe this forum and all the shops who open in ED should only reflect their way of life and anyone who disagrees should be shunned and made to look like a troll because we have a love for different things. Louisa.

cle Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > No idea what a 'South London budget' is either > Louisa - talk about generalisation. Most people > gladly spend a few quid more on decent food these > days. Don't equate your own failure, poverty or > chips & beans nostalgia with others' tastes. Vulgarian. Sorry cle I wasn't aware you were some sort of demographic expert on London. Thanks for letting us all know though, glad you've put me straight on what "decent food is" and that everyone in south London can afford to waste money on pretentious overpriced food that tastes and looks the same as the food the rest of us eat. I have opinions and I'm entitled to them. Whole neighbourhoods hijacked by posh right on lefties who are experts on food clearly equates to boring clones of the same types of overpriced foody destinations. Louisa.

Italian food is full of carbs and unfortunately has be hijacked by the pretentious guardianista brigade in London. Such a shame because I used to love the old fashioned style Italian restaurants, which have all gone now. Louisa.