Louisa

North Devon. Louisa.

clockworkorange Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Good on these guys. Not going to mug myself and > pay those prices but they've started their own > business and enough people have bought into the > idea to make it a success. More than most the > bores on this forum have achieved. Good tats too! > > Louisa and all those that jump on the same narrow > minded grey bandwagon with the slogan "I hate > change" I feel it's time you understood what > london is. Since the dawn of time it's been a > melting pot of people, cultures and ideas. The > london you're thinking of didn't,doesn't and never > will exist. > > That is all. Off to buy thick cut toast (granary > of course) from an artisan cafe and then spend the > morning picking crumbs from my beard and reading > poetry. Sorry I guess you're an expert on London? You must have been here since the dawn of time and know everything about the place. Or maybe you're a Home Counties blow in who's lived here for 5 seconds who thinks that qualifies you to put everyone else down who disagrees with you. The jury is out. Louisa.

Cereal bars, sourdough bread, unhygienic beards. Urgh. Why don't these people bore off back to the Home Counties, slowly eroding and homogenising Londons healthy cosmopolitan mix. Louisa.

Beckenham feels less affluent than ED these days IMHO. Louisa.

Fox I think that is exactly it. Why would you knowingly pay more for the same/similar quality product? Surely that goes against the basics of economical prudence? I pose the question, is it because 'some' people want to pay more to feel better about themselves? Is it to look down on others? Is it to support local business? Is it all of those things and other factors too? The petrol example is a great one. No-one would visit a local indepedent garage and pay more for the petrol if shell, BP and the like up the road did it for less? So I struggle to understand even with a a totally open mind why anyone would want to do this for bread? It's genuinely confusing to me. Louisa.

Yes Jeremy of course, but it's the extent to which that happens in this country which is of note. In continental countries people of all socio economic backgrounds will spend good money on premium products (however significantly more or less than they happen to be in the UK), and so the kind of disproportionate spread of indepedent delis aimed at people with money in this country would be less likely in a country such as France, Spain and Italy for example. Louisa.

So what is the mark up on "the same product" then? For example, Waitrose sell Gales sourdough bread at 2.89 a loaf, is that the same or not and if it is why is there a saving of well over a quid? Louisa.

I eat laughing cow and babybel all the time too and that's definitely cheaper in France. But premium producers of cheese offer it at a rate acceptable to all people in France, and in England outside of the Christmas season most people invest in cheaper supermarket cheeses because the premium produced British stuff is extortionate in comparison to the supermarket stuff. Louisa.

So Waitrose can sell sourdough bread by the loaf for half the price a local bakers can sell it for? Louisa.

ok this clearly isn't being understood is it? Let me simplify for you. French premium cheese bought IN FRANCE is cheaper than English premium cheese bought in ENGLAND. This is an undeniable fact surely? Louisa.

BNG I've been on an all inclusive to Tenerife and I can assure you baked beans were on the breakfast buffet every morning and I was all inclusive for under 400! Louisa.

Jeremy why isn't it the same? Louisa.

I think the french have a better understanding of food though and class isn't allowed to cloudy the waters over who can eat what and where to buy it from. Price is the biggest barrier to that in the UK, and it's amusing to see spanish, italian delis, specialist cheese shops aimed at the middle classes in ED when back at home this food would be available to all people of all classes because price isn't a barrier. I'm not knocking iceland cheese, had a reasonable bit of cheddar out of there more than once before. Louisa.

Jeremy in France it isn't. Good quality cheese is bought by everyone without any form of snobbery. Only this country do we have this struggle between class structures over where we buy our food. Louisa.

Why in this country do we have to pay through the nose to buy good quality food? Good cheeses and wines are sold in supermarkets as well as local shops and are freely available to all budgets. Such a throw back to the british class system that quality cheese should be priced highly so lower budgets cannot afford them. Louisa.

I don't think its inverted snobbery. I think it's common sense, and typically London. This is why people in poorer parts of the country laugh at us down here, ?4 on a loaf of bread. Some folk struggle to put food on the table full stop and people are buying loaves in ED at 4 quid a pop. Unbelievable. I also love Sopers been there for years highly knowledgable and in terms of value beat Moxons hands down. Louisa.

Large doner kebab. Louisa.

Clearly few people are on the breadline if they can afford ?4 loafs. I knew I had it in me to be mildly amusing. Louisa.

Me neither. Yeah, you pay for cheese and you get cheese. Except you may be paying an awful lot more for the cheese. Louisa.

On the topic of an Eccles cake, can any of our northern chums please inform the difference between a puff pastry mince pie and an Eccles? Louisa.

I love marmite infused cheese. Thats the couilles de chiens. Louisa.

Mmmmmm primula on toast (not sourdough). Louisa.

MrBen, cheese is cheese. Cheese snobbery shouldn't come into this debate. Does he only stock cheese he enjoys or sees fit to pass some sort of cheese master plan sent down from the heavens? Louisa.

Surely if the shop specialises in a product it should take every effort to stock all types of cheese, vegetarian included? Also, if I want to eat dairylea or laughing cow or even philledelphia spread a shop specialising in dairy notably cheese should provide these products. End of. Louisa.

red devil Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Anyone got any recs for non-Mr Kipling lovingly > crafted by artisans mince pies?... Greggs. Louisa.