Aha, the new-fangled meaning of mentalist (as in Derren Brown) - to me it will always mean someone not of sound mind - I wasn't suggesting for a second that an armed and dangerous Paul Daniels is a bad thing. Although, thinking about it... Keef, I hear your pain, but I'd question what is there to debate? Does it make me furious? Yes. Does it make anyone-for whom-I-would-have-an-ounce-of-respect furious? I should bloody well hope so. That pro-life is a hideous oxymoron with these people hardly needs saying, but I think Mockney summed it up nicely. The fact is that they are looking for something to hate and something to rail against and I firmly believe that it's got f*ck all to do with religion - the bible's just an easy excuse to justify their criminal behaviour. If they were really Christian, then I think the whole he who is without sin casting the first stone thing might hold some sway. It doesn't seem to. By and large you won't find me coming out in favour of eugenics, but in this instance I'm beginning to see its appeal.