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to be fair to the app, it's doing what it's supposed to, no? What's lacking is any support for people who have to isolate, or for the companies/organisations who have to do without them. All happening as we fully open with rising infections The app isn't the problem Still, world beating vaccination thanks to not being in the EU and all that what what!!

One can choose to believe Cummings. or Johnson But it only illustrates how shabby and shaky the whole Brexit thing was and is And to believe that yes, THEY were all fools and untrustworthy knaves, but MY vision for Brexit is way more honourable and will benefit the country... well - that is a very Cummings-like position to adopt isn't it? Meanwhile Johnson and Frost barking away with the same mantra re NI protocol again as if nothing has changed in 5 years - pure madness

one doesn't have to like, trust, respect, have any truck with Cummings - I don't But the texts he is publishing - you couldn't honestly say Johnson is unlikely to have said those things ie it is possible for them both to be complete shits

it's not something you hear from many other countries is it? And if we are to believe Cummings latest revelations, we should count ourselves lucky we only have 130k dead

he's been popping 'is little head into a couple of threads every month or so for a little while now

Seabo - have you mixed up your threads?

It?s strong and heartfelt. I object to unhinged - Comparing pro and anti Brexit economists as equal - that?s unhinged What have I said that?s unhinged?

No one forced you to use the silly phrase sweetie - you just? did

Keano - are you the person who just a few days ago was asking what the phrase meant? Who has educated you? Did they charge? Seek a refund

"Ha. Well a a very foolish comment. And certainly not one I'd advocate. " a foolish comment that millions believed (they still do) but to be clear, this is a leaver saying millions didn't know what they voted for, not a remainer

Not only does Cat ignore the whole point about no credible economists supporting brexit, he then professes to be ignorant of DD's "''There will be no downside to Brexit, only a considerable upside'' Where is this quote from?" How can anyone get through last 5 years and not be aware of this and other promises (like Dan Hannan's "no-one is saying we will be outside Single Market or Customs Union") Cat's vacuous, Cummings-lite "we intelligentsia can see a bright future beyond the ken of mere mortals" schtick wouldn't muster 5% of a Brexit vote - it needed 10s of millions of people believing guff form Davis and Hannan and (still!) Johnson et al The whole thing was and remains a fatal house built on sand Never mind Cat's (slight, qualified, but nonetheless real) steps backward on the "taking the knee debate" - should he and I both make it another couple of decades in this life, he will never ever ever ever have been more wrong about any single thing ever and as before when "agree to disagree" nonsense has been proposed, I reject it. Because there is no disagreeing with the reality. This is too important to too many lives and livelihoods It was a lie, remains a lie and will be a lie for evermore - and if he (and others) can't see the poison and lies that sustain the whole thing (whilst openly ignorant of the lies that led us here), there can be no "agree to disagree".

False equivalence. There is no body of reapected economists supporting leave Ditto vaccines Ditto climate change Ditto tobacco

It?s just a shame that all the losers will be the people who were conned into voting for Brexit isn?t it? (And yes they were conned - fishermen, Northern Ireland unionists, etc) https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN29415G If you voted Brexit and don?t feel conned, your time will come The rest is all high-minded theory - like communism. Would be great only none is doing it right One can?t argue with a true believer

Well the outage is from (as far as I can see) brexiteers So your supposition that it?s something everyone can agree on is flawed. I would suggest As for your positive outcomes - good luck with that (Again you admit we don?t have a good government. But that is fundamentally intertwined with Brexit. You can?t have a good government AND Brexit )

Another express link. I know I know But It is madness isn?t it? Cat? Tell me it?s madness. How many Brexit voters actually think this way? Anecdotally, I would say most of the people I know would agree with this article https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1463453/EU-news-farming-red-tape-empty-shelves-Britain-Brexit-news-latest-news-latest-vn/amp

"Wind Street is always edgy LOL" but isn't this the same logic as notimpressed?

unless I'm reading it wrong it's a charity giving money to 2 very high profile people, for them to Gove to a charity of their choice Which helps them get headlines about their goals So harry/meghan aren't getting ?500 from a charity to stick under the cushions

maybe I did sound like "more important things going on" - but that wasn't my intention at all. I guess I was reading it as if you were making it sound like a Big Issue when really you were just being more light hearted fair enough - my bad

authoritarian/prohibitive? where you getting that from? Post away! - I just thought it odd that an old thread was resurrected for such a slight reason and nothing about it struck me as "through the looking glass" that's all

never mind the news being a few days old Cat, this thread has been dead for months. Is this news really that bothersome its' worth resurrecting with phrases like "through the looking glass" Given the state of virus, brexit, NI, transport shortages etc etc - why is this even registering?

I've had zero errors getting to the page

did someone just post something? After my post there looks like another post but instead of words it's just egqopwerjeq rhoqerhujqeh0q3u0-q34i q34 y[q3 434q0973490ge rerg aerph[earihpeuarhp

tr: loutish behaviour good article here: https://theathletic.com/2704711/2021/07/15/this-is-what-you-endure-watching-england-as-a-woman-misogyny-sexism-and-the-constant-fear-of-being-touched-without-consent/ I see Paul Hayward (sports columnist at Telegraph) also posted something about noticing a change in the demographic of football louts to a younger more chippy age group

And yes I know the argument from the slow at thinking is ?eu isn?t the world. We can trade with ANYONE? Which then begs the question why is it a big deal if NI and GB are seeing slowdown in trade volumes. Can?t everyone just go trade elsewhere Oh but that?s a bad idea according to Frost. Increasing trade between NI and Republic is just not on

Someone should have warned him what happens when you pull of out of a trading deal with all your nearest partners, including a country you share a border with I reckon information like that would have been really useful and may have? oh who am I kidding. So now that we know friction causes traders to look elsewhere to trade (who knew??) will this lead to any enlightenment about Brexit itself and what it means for Britain?s future (ie in wider context, Britain is NI, and Europe is mainland Britain, avoiding the hassle of a relatively small market)