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? No more EU smoke and mirrors? Anyone know what this even means? More bizarre than his usual comments.

It?s not hard for me to accept Because there aren?t any meaningful positives. Otherwise you would point to them instead of desperately spending weeks clinging to non-wins like vaccine rollout And you only have ropy characters on here in your corner And linking to an article where barnier is critical of EU doesn?t change that in any way whatsoever Try harder

I left the house today I found a Quid!!! Benefit of leaving the house versus staying home innit! A dog bit me, I fell in the river and lost a tenner. Nothing to do with me leaving the house ?Jesus why focus on the negative - you people! ?

Some scientists say climate change is real Some say it isn?t Hard to weight up the net reality isn?t it? 13 pages of people pointing out genuine, real, often life-altering problems of Brexit Catty saying ?there are positives too!!! ? and gives examples of things that don?t need Brexit and turned out to be not especially great anyway (waves at vaccine rollout) So yeah. Totally even stevens. It?s a close run thing etc.

Just because you say something is desperate doesn?t make it so Smugly, provocatively grinning ?it?s not as bad as you thought? as people lose their jobs, inflation rises, supplies dry up, companies go under, Northern Ireland peace continues to look risky, exports tank and friends and neighbours get caught in a web of home office rules and punishment is not a good look If you genuinely believe it?s not going badly then you just aren?t a serious person

The gall of people who for years told workers and people like me arguing for higher wages that we would break the economy now claiming it?s a good effect of Brexit The bare faced cheek of it Nothing was stopping a higher minimum wage or companies paying more - and certainly not being an Eu member

2016 wiped so many people's memories

"It makes them feel cosy and community spirited. " imagine such horrors! far better to bitch and moan at anybody who dares to move to London - that's REAL community spirit

I think we have had enough flag waving of any sort

Some well dodgy camera angle decisions during play as well But frankly what a fantastic spectacle, match and result Watch it with my 10 year old and she could barely watch Two amazing young people with composure beyond their years. A privilege to behold

If you think Johnson deserves credit for making decisions that please no one, the next couple of years are going to be wild (although I suspect this announcement will be popular with people. In short term anyway. So. True to form) On the decision itself I?m currently agnostic - but the rush to push it thru in a hurry tomorrow suggests it hides a multitude of issues he wants out of the way before anyone realises. Very much his MO and always leads to problems Not sure what cabinet or mps are even for these days given his disregard for scrutiny

5 years in and still the uk can?t get it?s shit together So the eu has its borders and checks ready - and uk doesn?t. I wonder who will benefit financially from this arrangement hmmmmm Eu countries don?t face checks IN to uk But UK faces checks and barriers and costs exporting For how long? ?Indefinitely? you say So much control That?ll go well https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/sep/06/uk-and-eu-extend-post-brexit-grace-period-over-northern-ireland-protocol?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

I see arch Brexiteer Simon Jenkins is today saying "Brexit need never have so devastated the British economy. The damage has come from one decision, to depart the single market. The sensible path now would be for Johnson to eat humble pie and seek, as far and as fast as possible, readmission to that market. Britain would imitate the protocol it has agreed for Northern Ireland. This would not mean rejoining the EU, just rejoining Ireland ? the most delicious of historical ironies."

ANOTHER way to raise a lot of money would be to avoid the multi-billion hit to the economy because of Brexit but no - let's put up trade barriers with our nearest neighbours, get rid of a million workers in the middle of. pandemic and charge whoever is left

? I.e. a sensible govt would issue simple working visas to fill short term gaps? Also worth picking up on this point We are basically telling people we told to bugger off, no you can?t settle here, to come back, do us a favour is we?re in a tight spot old chap, and then bugger off again ?If we come and help out can we stay? L? ?Haha god no!? So even with this ?sensible? approach I can?t see enough people taking up the jobs They have the choice of their own country or 26 others they can move freely around. Why jump thru hoops and risk abuse to help out here

I think the generational part of this is being overstated/overplayed The main problem is if you go with NI rather than income tax or a wealth tax, you take proportionally more from already hardworking people on low incomes

"hat's not brexit's fault, that's the govt fault." Ah the old "it's not communism at fault..." line and where did we get this government from? Was it a cruel joke? Nope - it's because brexiters demand brexit, any brexit must happen. Don't look at the detail - just get it done. Get rid of Cameron get rid of May - just get it done!!! F*** other countries and any impact on them - just lie and get it done. renege on the deal later!!! And that's why we have this bunch of jokers - and anytime we might end up lucky and get a better more sensible govt? The same lunatics from The Mail, the Tory Party, The Lexiteers and the Keanos/uncleglens of this parish will scream and shout betrayal this gentleman's brexit you have in your head doesn't exist - and if it did it wouldn't have won any referendum

And no one needs a time machine. Just need the country to accept alignment with single market and customs union (or as close as practicable) whilst remaining outside Eu. But this constant antagonistic attitude towards closest trading partners , whilst getting elected On getting Brexit done is just not going to work. And people need to get vocal about it. Because this apathy in the face of this is genuinely pathetic

Nope. It is so bad and unsustainable an idea it can?t be let go If Frost won?t let it go (having negotiated the deal and still wanging on about how bad it is today) why would I or anyone let it go Be clear. There is only pain ahead before we realign (if not rejoin even further) So the sooner everyone snaps out of this ?ah well? mode and gets real, me going on about it is least I?d anyone?s problems. Everyone continues to understate just how bad the problems are. Tories pretending to be 70s labour is no substitute for peace and stability in Northern Ireland for example. This whole situation is simply not real and not sustainable.

Normal country https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/people/absolute-bedlam-as-hundreds-turn-up-for-free-raspberries-after-yorkshire-farm-cancels-harvest-because-of-worker-shortage-3367886

not forgetting that Govt insisted on pressing ahead middle of a pandemic, when it had a chance to extend transition period Never mind that the govt/leave lied throughout years saying there would be no downside when everyone else was saying "no, this is what it means" and they then say we were spreading lies/fear no, apparently all of this was IMPOSED on the UK - not voluntarily, naively and proudly undertaken by UK, but the "EU should be ashamed of itself" The levels of delusions are still off the charts (wether keano is trolling or not)

FFS

https://www.business-live.co.uk/manufacturing/north-wales-bubble-firm-used-21397832 somehow this is all ok?

the two possibilities which present themselves from keano's post 1) he is serious 2) he is joking both are too horrific to dwell on

Fair play Cat But it isn?t about me is it? 5 years of Brexit has yielded nothing but problems. You (or anyone) can try and pan for gold but it?s grim pickings. And it?s going to get worse That?s not my fault. So I don?t mind you having a pop at me personally. But no, there are no solid ?Brexit is going well? arguments. We argue when people try - and by people there aren?t many. There are the people you don?t really want to associate yourself with (the uncle festers and the Roy Keane of the forum) And then there?s you, the sensible one. Which is why I argue with you But I don?t think you can point to any unalloyed wins. And the losses are mounting