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How extremely convenient. I said you don?t have a point - because you didn?t make one. If I?m wrong, make your point and I?ll apologise

Go on catty. Don?t be so obtuse. You think you have a point, you don?t, but if you allude to one it sounds like you do

Lesser degrees Keano. Lesser degrees. By some margin. Go visit other EU countries. Heck, go visit even Northern Ireland - a uk country (for now). They just aren?t affected in anything like the same way As for rah?s comments about inflation it was very, very explicitly about what is going to hit this country when it imposes its own barriers (if it does - it isn?t ready, despite years of Brexit. And it can?t afford to)

Any country counting back from COVID will face inflationary pressures no? To not have them would be a sign of no bounce back in any case you?ve ignored any of the points raised and introduced something completely unrelated. Well done you

? I don't think we'll be back into the decision making side for a long time. ? Yep. We are now, voluntarily, rule takers, not involved in any discussions that might benefit us Realignment with SM and CU more likely. But again, rule takers. Not makers But the eu dragging us back in? As if. we should be so lucky And wether is racist knuckleheads like uncle fester on here or more enlightened individuals like Cat, all we have are shrugs and taunts.

like - "EU and remoaners are using that as an excuse to take us back in" how, and why is EU trying to take us back in? If we ever do decide we want to go back in we would have to convince them - and that won't be an easy job now. They aren't going to " try and get us back in"

not a problem rah Tom Fenn has it covered: "All unsurprising. There were always going to be some teething problems while the UK left the EU. We who voted to leave anticipated this. What we didn't expect was a worldwide pandemic. EU and remoaners are using that as an excuse to take us back in. But who wants to drink lager??" anticipated? check global pandemic whilst not mentioning other EU countries not suffering same problems? check Snobby remark about lager drinkers (which one would have though was opposite of metropolitan elite?) check thing is NI trade is suffering far less - but Johnson and co have to explain to them that, ACTUALLY, NIP is bad for them because it will disrupt trade. That's the level of delusion we have to deal with

"brexit voters will go to almost any length to void admitting to themselves that they may have made a mistake." it can only eat away at their souls

But you?ll keep reading these posts Because you know Your soul knows. But never forget. It?s ok to admit you got something wrong. You don?t have to keep ignoring evidence and doubling down

Yes you have made your arguments many times - but have they ever related to anything in the real world ?I?ll be honest. I?m not that interested?? Wasn?t it in the houses Of parliament debating ?boris?s Brexit? and the implications for NI that Ian Duncan smith said ?look this has all been discussed to death. Move on? despite British democracy trying to preempt problems? And wasn?t it YOU weeks later saying ?this agreement is unacceptable and we must fight for British rights!? Because The eu were implementing the agreed deal So I?m sorry you are bored. If I was you I would absent myself as well, from shame if nothing else Bad things are happening to this country and will happen further. Because of you and your arrogance Sorry you are bored. Unlike you professing you care about the country, I actually do. And that means dealing with the fallout from your (and others) arrogance (And as I?ve said before. You KNOW all this. In the dark of night you feel it and worry. But instead of being a grown up and talking about reality you can per-formatively laugh at and dismiss others. Because the alternative is too grim for you to contemplate)

Yea it is arrogant and smarmy when people who won, threw away control but claimed victory and laugh in losers face claim they can use the same phrase Because you can?t. You won. So please - keep displaying the spoils of victory and don?t steal the language of those who lost

Cat self satisfaction rating - 9/10 Cat addressing any points made - 0/10

Who are you with? And when you say slow, what actual speeds are you measuring? (Google ookla speedtest and run it on your computer/phone) Have you restarted the router? That?s first thing I would try After that, if your speed test is way less than you are paying for, check if anyone is piggybacking off your internet - a neighbour? Kids/tenants using more than they should ? After all that all your IP and see what they say and if you don?t like that, switch

I know - it's hilarious Cat - "we lost, get over it!" thanks for pointing that out again! But at least my impotent whining is based on actually giving a flying f*** about reality, and not wanting this horror show to get worse Wheras listening to Leaver impotent whining is doubly egregious because you got what you wanted, we are suffering as expected and still you lot bitch and moan

?Equivalence? gets raised all the time by brexiteers This is very good on why that wont happen Tldr: it suits uk and no one else. So they are reduced to whining impotently for it. Quelle surprise. https://europeantomorrow.blogspot.com/2021/08/why-doesnt-eu-just-agree-equivalence.html?spref=tw

Other countries see Johnson and Brexit https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/finn-mcredmond-myth-of-global-britain-laid-bare-in-utter-shallowness-1.4656129

and don't we have more barriers on inward goods still to come later this year and start of next?

I'm a big fan of people like Redwood (and indeed many Leavers) opposing minimum wage/better wages for decades just simply saying "pay people more" yep - no-one has thought of that before Johnny boy

"Are we getting further away, or closer to the sunlit uplands?" if you are a leaver who isn't materially affected in any way, you'll be happy enough. And even enjoy mad comments from govt about scrapping GDPR if you are a leaver who IS materially affected (like that Scottish fishing guy who still wants brexit, just not one that is affecting his livelihood, sunlit uplands might be pushing it) everyone else? not so happy

I was quoting latest stories about supplies whilst making reference to other poster?s comments from last couple of days about how we don?t need to bother farming chicken when we can just import it

same tone deaf response every time "A government spokesperson said: ?The British people repeatedly voted to end free movement and take back control of our immigration system. Employers should invest in our domestic workforce instead of relying on labour from abroad?. https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/aug/25/the-anxiety-is-off-the-scale-uk-farm-sector-worried-by-labour-shortages They should stop faffin abaht growing' stuff and just buy it in, innit. In ten years, all those farms could be 'aaaahses, people will have somewhere to live, and we won't have no forrins knocking' abaht. Win win see

and it all speaks to the same lack of seriousness that has underpinned the whole thing - never addressing real problems, always conjuring up some distant point in the future where markets will have corrected this sort of thing, with scant regard for the self-inflicted suffering it all causes We were told last year when we expressed concerns about NI that we were wrong to worry - yet just a few months later UK govt threaten to break international treaties because they didn't understand what was in them and the country was suffering because of them At some point, Leavers will have to look at a problem, address it and not dismiss it, all the while blaming others

because economic theory is all fine and well in theory - but it often doesn't survive contact with reality. And all of these economists who might agree with Lynn are not forming queues to agree with him on the wider points of his article Higher value industries? yes please - now, what are they? They don't exist in any tangible, meaningful way do they? The govt isn't poised to unveil any Higher animal welfare and better deals for UK farmers were explicit promises made to Leave voters - following Lynn's recommended course of action puts paid to both of those promises (convenient now the whole thing is done) And simply saying "chicken is a solved problem - just import it" is ignoring the supply issues the UK is currently facing. He does mention haulage but he doesn't appear to recognise that chicken imported from wherever still needs to reach shops - and if everyone has buggered off to higher value industries or the EU then we still face supply problems It's all just vapid, wishful thinking. If a country wants to rebalance it's economy it doesn't need something like Brexit to do it. As it is Britain is heading for the same spot it was in before it applied to join the EU - ie poor, disrupted and in need of joining the EU.

Another look into the fevered mind of the deranged https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2021/08/23/now-not-time-chicken-brexit-end-mass-immigration/

Given current situation, how do people feel about Johnson these days (eg after Afghanistan events) I?ve been mocked for saying he will be gone by now but his presences isn?t just down to how people feel about the opposition He is toxic for the country yet people still find ways to excuse him. I was wrong that he wouldn?t last this long but my reasoning was sound. He is not a normal functioning leader and this government are not normal conservatives They are inadequates who exist only because of loyalty to an already insane ideology. When you look at the calibre of tories expunged (grieve/Stewart/ even hunt) and what remains. How can you not howl at the craziness of it all?