Sephiroth

Let?s check in on this bonkers Brexit bonanza https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/the-trade-revolution It?s almost impossible to read without cringing. To think this is how leavers see themselves when the reset of the world are all too aware of how exposed they are Still. 10, 20, 50 years from now, I?m sure the descendants of Rees-Mogg, Mordaunt and co will have proven Cat right and me wrong. And there won?t have been any casualties to speak of along the way. Some yes. Goes without saying. But not many in the scheme of things

Nice try

I love this thread right now

Obscene, yes Unpredictable, no This clownshow was always going to fall apart The characters, the single principle holding those characters together, the absolute joke of a leader All of this was always going to happen

The less brexit UK does, the less pain caused Still. So far in the credit column we have? um? Large part of the public still against reversing Brexit - wonder how long that will survive the black hole implosion that will be the demise of this govt Labour very much ?not rocking the boat?. But do any leavers think they will be more Brexity, regardless of what they say now?

seabag - it''s a very simple equation Take the number of children you DON'T know about but suspect might exist Double it Take that and multiply it by the number of days since the story broke a Take that and add RND() between 2 and 10 Voila

A bit of stern talking is what's required to whip the ungrateful US and EU into shape. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-59597310 But she already knows the reality "When asked why further talks with the US weren't happening before 1 January, Ms Trevelyan said the US chose to have a discussion with the EU first because it was a larger trading partner." But yes a govt composed entirely of sub-par nonentities (waves at Gisela Stuart in her new appointment yesterday) spectacularly ill suited to wielding any power (and who only HAVE power because of a delusional devotion to Brexit) are somehow going to, with the benefit of decades, usher in a glorious Brexit future "Ah but we agree these politicians are shit, but the idea is sound and with a new broom, you'll see the benefits. Give it years, decades even. Yes many of us may be dead but..." etc etc Communism or Brexit redux

maybe I shouldn't have used the exact phrase "EU trade" you say - "there may be additional pressure on UK from different lobby groups" - UK employees might well question promises made by UK govt if they are worse off than EU counterparts. That is significant no? Either Uk complies/follows EU rules (rules they had no say in drawing up) or they don't and break promises to increase workers wages/security for UK workers - so where is the benefit?

it's a shame the likes of CH only view it as what is good for the party and not the country (coupled with the whiff of covid denial - "at a time when hospitalisations and deaths are falling," is a weird thing to say as the whole world is worrying and dealing with Omicron (and is also the rallying cry they have used before last 2 waves of deaths)

An example of why we are linked to EU trade in ways we aren't quite so much with other side of the world Only now we have no say Of course, in Brexitland, we can trust UK govt to come up with an even better plan for these employees https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/dec/09/gig-economy-workers-to-get-employee-rights-under-eu-proposals

"But to say Boris is a joke is a bit laughable really. " Still love this line - even when the joke is on us

This from a year ago, and some of the responses, hold up pretty well I think /forum/read.php?20,2093860,2174204#msg-2174204

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We can all agree now surely? "NO - he isn't, and never was, fit to lead"

Dunno about no-one reading it - pop into any newsagent in some of the more down at heel coast Sussex towns and I see plenty of copies sold I suspect it sells far more than Graun nationally

? PS: I particularly like the line mocking my 'self-congratulation'...this coming from Mr 'I've been warning about X, Y and Z for years'....? I?m just me. And like many others I?ve been warning about stuff that has actually happened. Farming. Screwed Fishing. Screwed Haulage. Screwed Employers. Screwed Northern Ireland peace? Precarious Uk international reputation. Screwed Eu nationals (not that you care) : precarious These things have happened. And it?s about to get worse as even uk starts to apply border rules from January So it?s not self congratulation. It?s just regret at all the damage done But you? A never ending supply of ?nothing to see here! ? backslapping shite Never once a hint of ?ok this isn?t working like I hoped it would ? You hint that Johnson isn?t doing enough and point out crap like GDPR. as if the world is going to adopt GDPR and wherever uk comes up with alone. I know no one else on here cares right now. Doesn?t make it any less important

Enjoy 2022

Now, I know you are going to say ?what a facile argument? But it isn?t Expending that much energy and time just to achieve same goal is inefficiency. And it doesn?t in any way counter the actual genuine losses from the act of self harm And the self congratulation doesn?t help either. It?s all net loss

I haven?t had to bandage myself or find a way of sterilising a wound in my 53 years on this planet But then a few years ago I took a knife to my right arm and sliced it clean through Now it wasn?t easy. And I?m not quite back to where I was But I learned a lot about medical procedure. Would I have done that if I hadn?t sliced my arm like that? No!! So who?s winning now, eh?

But how DESPERATE does anyone, anyone have to be, to even try and claim this as a Brexit win. It?s not just media PR

How is this a ?Brexit win? ???? https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1531141/brexit-news-uk-gritter-driver-shortage-british-engineering/amp

Very sad news this evening. Emma was just wonderful and will be sorely missed https://beyondthejoke.co.uk/content/11392/emma-emslie-died

This is decentish on the nub of the problems - uk knows it has to play nice, but that doesn't play well with hardcore base or media so around and around we go https://www.ft.com/content/b0db89a2-edf1-47ef-b853-b315ab183756

"s many loopy people in Scotland as in England." speaking of - no surprise to see the MPS who voted against tiniest Covid measures last night were Brexiteers to a molecule. It's all about tilting at windmills for these people

I don't think independence from England is a direct corollary with the kind of sovereignty espoused by Brexiteers (Not that I doubt the existence of the kind of nationalist you mention) I don't know many Scottish people who want BOTH independence from England AND don't want to join the EU. And they would look at Ireland as a example of a small nation trading, existing and functioning with out English rule Not sure I get last point - "as mad as forcing Northern Ireland to swap a single Irish Market for trade with GB". Cross border trade in Ireland has increased massively but it's not a single Irish Market - it's a Market of 27 countries no? Or if you meant the opposite, Tories did want that - it's what they voted for - until they said they didn't want that Could be me misunderstanding what you mean tho so I don't want to labour the point