Sephiroth

Any man who can look at all the issues caused by Brexit, the contradictory positions that mean it will never be satisfied, and say other people are the problem? That?s a man with certainty I will never have

And then of course there is this https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/01/27/rishi-sunak-fighting-hard-stop-invoking-article-16-claim-boris/ The internal hysteria of the tory party playing out at cost to everyone - If only it was confined to Leavers. But Remainers and other countries pay the price too But it's this thread and people like me that are "toxic"

I know - but I still think this is simpler """If we are making things more expensive or peoples lives more complicated, then we are getting it wrong"" " you can publish all of the critiques you like - but if senior brexit people are saying they didn't expect leaving SM and CU to make things more expensive for people, or make their lives more complicated - well... what can you say? They know nothing

Speaking of people with views completely out of touch with the real world - we have Frosty in today's Sun saying ""If we are making things more expensive or peoples lives more complicated, then we are getting it wrong"" without any sense of irony or self-awareness That is LITERALLY what his deal that he created and urged the country to vote for did, does and will continue to do

"judge a mans chracter becuase of a view he holds" without being toxic, we, all of us, judge people's character because of views they hold To take one example - You and I probably share the same judgement of Jeremy Corbyn, precisely because of the views he holds. And we are correct

"You are accurate. I agree with this article " It's a free country. But it doesn't speak well of you or the author

You would think, almost 6 years after the referendum, better plans would be in place for things like this wouldn't you? I would suggest that if the country can't get it's shit together for something like this in 6 years, the prospect of it doing anything better after 10, 20 or even 50 years isn't great https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/jan/27/british-farmers-call-for-summit-on-worsening-pig-cull-crisis

Appeal for information Information found: the problem is you How you deal with this information is also up to you

Cat has an article published in telegraph today. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/01/26/conservatives-face-1997-style-annihilation-dont-stop-drift/

"in terms of..." has become a conversational tic for so many people at work

More petty people here I mean jeez. Just shut up already guys. Stop being so petty. Some of us are thinking about the bigger picture yeah? Like GDPR? Hello? And here you are bleating about, oh I dunno. I tuned out after www.gr https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jan/23/brexit-leaves-furious-british-citizens-stranded-in-eu-countries?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Pointing out the seriousness of the problems hasn?t worked with you. And we have nothing but a petty useless government behind a petty useless project. So it?s not amazingly surprising I know the attempted lofty ?ugh. You people and your childishness? is meant to convey some gravitas. But it doesn?t work with likes of Rees mogg and it doesn?t work with you If people bring up important subjects like Northern Ireland peace or 17 mile tailbacks, you could engage properly

Meanwhile we have other leavers accusing William wragg of being a bitter remainer despite him being a hard leaver What is WRONG with these people ?

That mp quite at the end. ?The French will have to help us. Causing queues in Calais as well? Yes. Exactly as predicted and which the govt lies to us and said no it wouldn?t. What are the French going to do to ?help?? Abolish checks for third countries? Uk voted to put up barriers and now there are barriers. Christ alive the gall of these people. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/22/dover-blames-queues-on-spike-in-freight-traffic-not-brexit?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Countdown to a new tv series called Trigger Point https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/trigger-point-itv-start-date-b1997902.html?amp

I'm certainly not enjoying the damage being done to the country (then again, "f*** business" eh?) But I am very much enjoying some degree of accountability, some sort of comeuppance for such a blatant, awful liar. The longer he stays in power the worse it will be for the country so, god riddance What I WILL enjoy is knowing that for as long as he lives, he will live with the shame. The reality gap between how he saw himself as PM and the the actuality. he should never have been PM - but he came to power because of lies (his brexit lies) and so he departs because of lies. There were only ever lies And so now we face a 4th tory PM in 6 years.

Is he gone yet? How about now? Ok? now?

last time I tried to engage with you jazzer it was to point out you were having a go at people for having a go at the NHS when people were doing no such thing - and you ignored that not sure why you are having a pop now I sure do have a bee in my bonnet and repeatedly complain about this govt (and the people who after 10 years keep voting them in. Yes opposition is important but apart from last Labour leader I don't see why people would have too much problem choosing them over this lot. Other political parties are also available. Handing this fool and 80+ majority is on the voters IMO)

if you want to claim he/the UK has done a GOOD job you can't wave away people when they try and ask you to define it We can compare death raters per capita across Europe as a useful comparison - and the UK does not come out of it well It is true that all countries have struggled in different ways - but I'm not sure many crow about any wins as much as the UK govt and their supporters

well I wouldn't bracket you in the "reasonable person" category AND opinion polls and radio shows disagree with you mightily as well More people have DIED in the UK because of his policies compared to other European countries - why would you claim he has done well on this measure? The initial rollout was speedy but other countries caught up and overtook UK pretty quickly (with much higher vaccination rates to boot) furlough isn't some magical Tory policy but has been enacted across many countries (and would have been under a Labour govt as well) But you just call him a naughty boy?

well, OBVIOUSLY that's true. But it has been true for the 18 years of the forum's existence and it has never stopped any of wanging on and spending time on here when we have better things to do But it is still noteworthy how despite constant back and forth since 2016, now that the charlatan is finally being exposed and judged, despite radio stations being full of apoplectic tory voters, this forum, this place where so many of us lock heads so often has basically given up on the very notion Of course we have better things to do (as one would hope). But it's still notable

Sure keano sure Totally normal for head of uk govt to apologise to the queen and repeatedly lie to the nation And you would totally dismiss similar tittle tattle if it was labour in power. Sure you would. You being such a fine upstanding citizen and all

The ones who voted for him as mayor in two London elections? I jest partly but yer keano/glens have gone v quiet as well (although I do maintain that liberal London has done as much over the years to legitimise Johnson - by voting the arsehole in twice as mayor - than any number of newspaper articles/supportive media groups. So yeah even people who loathe him now - many will have voted for him in the past)

As we approach the final death throes of this absolute snake oil gobshite, it?s odd to see this thread go quiet I?m going to assume it?s guilt for many

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-58197626 This? Arguable about wether he should be the fall guy or not. But it didn?t go without consequence