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Days of condemnation from the world and this is the best Johnson comes up with tonight ?Come. Well. If you have a close family member. Otherwise, bag out of luck I guess??? https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/feb/27/uk-expected-ease-visa-restrictions-ukrainians-fleeing-war?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Spidey senses agogo

You are the one with the big claims. How about you back them up? As a starter. With countries all around Europe, including Ireland, saying ?feck visas. Just come here. We will look after you? how is the U.K. response of ?apply for seasonal farm work? in any way world-leading?

That is some weird yet cliched takes.

Ukrainian calls to join the EU Hopefully EU respond in kind Where does that leave the ?I support Ukrainian but don?t like EU and think the invasions is because of NATO expansion ? crowd?

Ukrainian calls to join the EU Hopefully EU respond in kind Where does that leave the ?I support Ukrainian but don?t like EU and think the invasions is because of NATO expansion ? crowd?

problem Labour have on that score is that Kinnock posted a video which boiled down to not much more than the govt - are Labour simply scared of the "legitimately concerned voter" or do they share the govt view

Not worrying in any way I?m sure https://www.theguardian.com/science/2022/feb/27/uk-scientists-fear-brain-drain-as-brexit-rows-put-research-at-risk?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

As someone who has been so, erm, engaged with 4Cat in recent years I think it?s now obvious what he is. If I engage with 4Cat again, someone slap me

I mean leaving personalities aside. What?s the smart, objective, neutral take when a thug like Putin invades another European country So many far left and far right commentators saying it?s the wests fault, natos fault etc etc. are just apologists for war crimes. And no amount of indignation can hide that And to have trump saying putin is smart and approving him. And to not take the opportunity to condemn that? Because? why wouldn?t you?

There are also a lot of reports claiming that the Ukrainian govt are nazis and killing innocent people - that doesn't make them true Your post is implicitly supporting that view (about if Trump was president there would be no war) - and you certainly aren't saying you disagree with it. So give over with the "hey I'm just a neutral messenger" days after Trump spoke of admiring and supporting Putin - why would anyone do that?

"There's quite a lot of analysis and commentary around suggesting the whole thing was very unlikely to have taken place had Trump still been in power. " not from anyone credible - unless you care to illustrate otherwise? It's basically a pro-Putin line despite any protestations to contrary Frankly you should be ashamed to even type something like that

? I have more conviction and independent though that most? I will be in an old folks home. Lying in my own piss. Miserable. Insufficient staff to help me (because, yknow. Brexit) And then I will remember this line. And I will smile and be happy It?s not the first self-aggrandising Cat line But it might be the finest. Bravo sir. Bravo

No one is with you cat. No one

Global Britain, enfeebled by Brexit and Russian money, looking very lame today Just weeks ago it was all ?Germany is so laaaaame? Yet here we are with Germany cutting gas ties and Johnson lying/pretending that people like abramovich have already been sanction. Absolutely pathetic.

Looks like it won?t even be a Brexit benefit https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-60439796

also not sure how TfL financial woes in 2022 are all that different to UK PLC or indeed most other countries - TfL will have lost FORTUNE over lockdown and not sure that's on Khan (or whoever would be mayor at this time)

I see the MP for Dover and Deal (someone you would expect to be on top of this) was blaming traffic jams around the ports on EU bureaucracy and explicitly not Brexit talk about not knowing what you voted for

Categorically yes As has been pointed out, there is no record of Starmer being harrassed and called paedo prior to Johnson's comments And again, acceptance that what he said was wrong is across the political spectrum, and not confined to this forum And the reason people think it was wrong for him to say is because of the risks involved of something like the other night happening. Or worse And for you - or anyone - to try and deny any link at all - is just grim There are still people (no surprise if you are one of them) who think the events at the White House was nothing to do with Trump - but people in these elevated positions know how dog whistles work

wtf is the matter with you? where do you get off with a post like that - I said nothing of the sort is it because I said "the MAIN aim was.." re next election - there can be more than one devastating effect/aim Answer the points made instead of this nonsense

Surprised no-one has posted it on here yet - but I'm sure many will have read similar https://www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2022/0209/1278727-costs-delays-brexit/ "the only detectable impact so far is increased costs, paperwork and border delays."

"Which of course was nonsense no matter how many media outlets tried to push that view." as KidK pointed out, show me all the times Starmer was called a paedo by a mob before Johnson's comments So, "nonsense" - hardly Anyway - the MAIN aim of Johnsons comments was to plant the seeds for the upcoming election campaign where he (or his replacement) will be able to pick up votes from some of the more, impressionable, members of the public But sensible you will of course be able to say this is all "nonsense" again

as usual, you ignore any of the points made, so you can do one of your "cabal" posts What is right or wrong is right or wrong - pretty much everyone agrees what Johnson did was wrong - nothing to do with EDF posters. Right across the political spectrum, Johnson is condemned for this - deal with that and stop fretting about your imaginary "cabal"

Yep - we should go about our business but continue to wear masks as well as start to install better ventilation systems in schools etc (helpful in future pandemics as well) Just dropping everything is deeply unhelpful - I was on buses and trains today where we were the only people wearing masks - so what is even the point. We don't wear masks to protect ourselves, we wear masks collectively to stop the spread. No rule - no wearing. It's so basic

for now, let 's leave aside the self-aggrandising "hello peeps, you've probably been wondering I have been these last few days" schtick let's stop with the false-equivalence. Keano has a long long history (along with uncle) of not just being "right wing" but outright wrong and offensive. If people lose patience and call him on it that doesn't mean we drop the "mask of tolerance" Subject at hand - Johnson is not some right wing politician that we are calling out just because. Plenty of tory voters, MPs and tory lords are all too aware of the dangerous line he is crossing - so don't try and pin this on "us" If I paint "tory" or even "fascist" on your house - I will be wrong, out of order and worthy of scorn. but you will be ok If I paint "paedo" on your house - all of those things will still be true about me - but your life will be considerably worse That is the line Johnson crossed this week (leaving aside ALL of the other lines he has crossed" This isn't about some leftie politician not being able to take some insults - this was a direct intervention by the prime minister of th eUK - knowingly, KNOWINGLY, putting Starmer at risk everything else is just noise. So any defence of Johnson or any deflection, any "oh but".. is just horseshit Condemn this for what it is And if you have a problem with Starmer or any other Labour politician you disagree with by all means let';s talk about it on that thread (plenty of scorn for Corbyn ono here over the years - and rightly so. This idea that lefties get a free ride is nonsense)