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In my job, if I didn’t immediately report my mistake to relevant dept I would be gone by end of day Asking people to ignore and delete just doesn’t cut it

Deleted it myself because it was dumb

Well labour can either pick up and deal with this mess now Or wait for another two years of damage and try and rectify things then I suspect they (and the country as a whole) would much much rather start that job now before things get even worse Some tories might enjoy sniggering at state of the country and laughing at owning lib tears at prospect of Johnson returning. But most sane people just want shot of this lot whilst fully aware of the challenges ahead

I don't believe there is a single permutation that allows this government to continue in anything remotely resembling an orderly fashion To take the Sunak/Johnson combo - as Cat says, it's unlikely to happen and if it did they still wouldn't have any answers to the problems - but for sake of argument let's imagine they swallow their egos and agree to proceed on this basis. Do they proceed with 2019 manifesto? In no universe is that on Sunak's mind. So where is the the mandate? That's a rhetorical question - there simply isn't one. And there is no combination of forces in current conservative party that will unite under any way forward Every week and month this party pretends it wields power and has any support from the country is time expensively wasted - of course no easy answers exist but if they at least call an election, whoever gets elected (even the tories) will have at least gone to the country after the farcical last 12 months and be operating on a mandate

Monday

As we are throwing around buzzwords, can I add “projection”?

"and my views are at odds with 'British peolple' view as you see them.... This means my views aren't apparently valid and Im labelled 'reprehnsibe' and display 'sickening arrogance' for the crime of moving my family to the land of my birth and my extended family. " let's break this down - you views are at odds with rest of the country where once they overlapped a bit. Your views aren't invalid - but I call you reprehensible because you publicly state the country is not looking good without ever acknowledging your part in why that may be. If the Brits change their mind about brexit they are entitled to do that - you won't, but you won't care because you won't be here. That's nothing to do with you being a non-Brit and if you want to move abroad good luck to you (so do I) - but a big part of the reason the country is in a state is Brexit, the population appear to be realising this but you just won't concede an inch. Your post about leaving the country came across as "so long suckers" -

I'm not British either Cat I'm talking about the British people because it's a survey of British people and it's about Britain (the BR in BREXIT after all) I care not that you are or are not British - and I don't care if you are or are not leaving because of Brexit or other reasons None of this is relevant - none of it What is relevant is that you have been banging on about Brexit for years and you decided to drop a post in public to say a) you were leaving and b) the country wasn't looking good. So you could have had the humility to at least acknowledge your part in it (again nothing to do with your nationality - you could be a Brit leaving for another country)

"By contrast, DR and I clearly have combative online back and forth... But at least he has a few of his own thoughts to share with the group...." Was I being "othered" here? I can't help feel I was. Not that I care But what I do care about is being called "clearly xenophobic" so that had better be retracted in next post

I was xenophobic but (and?) now I'm "othering" I’m not othering you. I’m pointing out that the Brexit that exists in your head is not supported by the people that voted for it. The country has a very negative opinion of it. And because you so often come on here to “other” everyone else who disagrees with you I’m merely pointing out that your fantasy has a negative effect in the real world and maybe you should reflect a little more

“Dog whistle xenophobia” Not a single ounce from me - want to back Up that claim? You are leaving this country having helped nuke trading deals with our nearest partners You are going to a country which has not done that Where is the xenophobic bit?

And as for the bloviated, self-important claims around Brexit that cat makes? The British public don’t agree. His future isn’t the future they want (Then again his future isn’t what he wants either as he is f@@@ing off back to a country that has minimal trade barriers with its nearby geographical neighbours. I know, mad right?)

Just today we have this from the Home Secretary. The Home Secretary! “Suella Braverman: “I’m afraid it’s the Labour Party, it’s the Lib Dems, it’s the Coalition of chaos, it’s the Guardian-reading, Tofu-eating, wokerati - dare I say the anti-growth coalition that we have to thank for the disruption we are seeing on our roads today!”” This person is not working for the country, dealing with 21st issues. She is a columnist for the sun in 2001

“ Because this is a Brexit Gov no matter how you try and paint it otherwise. Johnson rode into Downing Street on the back of Brexit, ” To be more explicit. These ministers are the dregs left after anyone with half a brain (or people who questioned the totality of Brexit) were defenestrated If we were still in eu? We would have a much much more intelligent, capable collection of mps governing us, not this bewildered array of the deranged

"True to form (at least you've been consistent for 6 years)" I'll take my record over last 6 years over yours any time

it's funny how when the budget was announced it was the libertarian Tuftonites who were all cock a hoop and declaring it best budget ever And everyone else sucked their teeth and went "f&&& that!" even tho the budget didn't "contain any libertarian announcements" so it's quite an amazing coincidence (she also promised "more to follow" around time of the budget remember_)

Hark at Jeremy corbyn here “Starts with market overreaction to mini-Budget, largely driven by appalling messaging and communication, then subsequently driving hysterical media reaction, mostly from journalists who know appalling little about 'the market' ...and then it all became vicious circle/sef-fulfilling narrative and it was all too late for “

brexiteer and conspiracy theorists? Perish the thought from @essexpr "I think we could be seeing a serious remain, EU coup, facilitated by very high up friends in the markets, banks, political spectrum & billionaire philanthropists. The installation of Jeremy Hunt makes no sense from anyway you look at it. He was in Brussels last week." Mind you they thought pencils were being used in referendum itself so they could be rubbed away

The authors of that report are (along with Minford) a tiny, tiny self-satisfied group who have been in denial for years Of course, of COURSE cat promotes their shite as the country drives into a brick wall and he leaves the country with his pinky finger at his lips, going “whoopsie. Quite the news you have here” I urge people to read that report. Then read everything else they have written in subject over the years and compare with reality. Complete fantasists. Just like cat

Julian Jessop Snigger You and truss have same problem. Detached from reality listening to the same tiny coterie of libertarian right Screaming at markets they are wrong and remoaners are at fault.

"In any case, I will miss your ever cheery contributions to my life." I have made zero impact on your life - your ongoing defence of Brexit will continue to impact me and my children's life whilst you swan back home, oblivious sickening arrogance

whilst most countries are facing headwinds, do you genuinely, honestly think UK hasn't screwed itself (and others) by erecting trade barriers to it's neighbours? You think the dimwits in charge now would be in charge if we were still in EU You are one not paying attention - but trust me - when these headwinds pass, and uk is stable again? it will at very least be back in single market meanwhile you come over, barge around with the same nonsense opinions as Truss/Minford and all then f&&k off? And you think "so long suckers - it would be just as bad if you were still in "the club" is some kind of killer line? Reprehensible

Haha. Years of defending Brexit “it will be worth it!” And as the fit hits the shan, off he goes Amazing

"But what exactly are they looking for." I think the answer to this is "not them. and not anyone else in their group" Same as the country really. Even if a good idea percolates up from this cast of bandits, the whole country just wants shot of them No way can this stagger on for two years (and if it does because "no mechanism" then we will all be grimly worse off for it)

as long as she tries to deny the new European forum is in any way related to EU business she can be as engaged as she likes What it means in reality will depend on what she has to sell domestically