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Ah yes. British leaders saying bad things about foreign leaders which is why jazzer was so outraged by truss calling macron an enemy oh wait

Several people have tried to point out the inconsistencies in your argument. Diablo rouge being most recent Try and address the points he makes rather than playing chicken licken

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"The above merging of my posts in response to Sue and to Jazzer have been done by the forum system, so there's no point in my trying again to separate them" soo aggravating. - has caught me out a few times. I get what the software is trying to do but it really messes with the flow of posts

again - all of this is inherited - but where was the outrage from you before Labour were elected? How is it down to a new Labour govt that the far right have a massive boost? I think there is a lot of accurate points In this post - but ultimately the response to that (and I'm not accusing you of responding differently - but we can see how others are) should be " huh - they are finding their feet lets see what the next reshuffle brings" - rather than millions of people demanding an immediate election on spurious grounds of "damaging the economy" when those same people accused likes of me of "project fear" over Brexit

" agree as well but Labour are losing control of the narrative on every single policy they have announced." I think this is the key point - but maybe not in way we would agree on. I disagree they are in a hole not dissimilar to where Tories found themselves - that govt had a largely supportive media but had very little talent left after the Johnson post Brexit purges, had no idea what it WANTED to do much less how and just drifted and drifted I think Labour have a good idea of what they want to do and have enough talent to do it So why the bad comms? When you have most of the media and the likes of Musk lined up against you is it even worth pretending they won't try and spin every bit of comms you might produce? I agree they need to be better - but I'm not sure even a comms wizard will outpace the 2024 world of twitter/x and British media. So I wonder if they are ploughing on regardless with what needs doing and trusting people to notice results. I don't really know but I don't think it's a simple as "Labour bad at comms"

I took the JSON into Alteryx and ran some tools against it - but I did make that mistake of counting 4 rows per country instead of the 3 But materially you were still essentially correct "Whatever the true situation the fact that this petition is getting such traction suggests the government are struggling to cut through - which they are." there will be be some headlines no doubt - and in no way am I claiming Labour are perfect - I disagree with them on several issues and as I say I didn't even vote for them. But unlike others I think they are doing a better job than headlines suggest and I would argue - strongly - that the levels of dissatisfaction are down to : 1 - unrealistic voter expectations. Given global headwinds there are no easy fixes - so sure you could throw every govt out at drop of a hat if you are an unhappy electorate but you should also be aware that you will be making things worse and it will be your fault 2 - there are several actors (Musk and his obvious targeting) and a portion of the population (the worst elements of the express/mail readership, many reform voters etc) who, as shown by [insert high scoring scrabble name here] are barely in touch with reality, easily led and extremely vocal and angry - constantly I think MOST of the electorate, either now or in time, will accept there are no easy answers but are keeping a watch on how Labour handles these challenges - but won't be signing any petitions like this (imagine if the petition DID topple the govt and an election was held and someone else got in - only for another petition to do the same thing all over again. rinse and repeat every few months forever. Complete madness) "The Democrats tried that in the US election and it backfired massively - why? Because swing voters and some who you would expect to be die-hard Democrats voted for Trump because they weren't hearing anything of substance from the Democrats about the things that mattered to them." See as time goes on I reject this more and more - because every allegation thrown at Democrats (old, infirm, lacking substance) can be thrown at Trump (and then some, plus without the dangerous sides) - so it can't be just that. I'm inclined to lean more towards enough of US voters not wanting a woman in power - one time Dems put a man against Trump they won

hmmm - I can see the open state field but if I look at the data.attributes.signature_by_country fields I get most coming from USA The constituencies are all 2million+ UK constituencies But I can't link the sig by country to the constituency in most cases nope you are correct - I misplaced a variable and was looking at why USA was so high - when the Uk was obvious answer Ok - so my general point that a lot of these sigs are coming from outside UK is incorrect. My bad. Cheers Ian (Reform got 4 million+ votes so we could expect a similar number to sign petition maybe)

The 2 ways I checked (and I'm open to correction on this - I could be wrong) 1 - the breakdown by county https://petitionmap.unboxedconsulting.com/?petition=700143 doesn't appear to match the headline number in any close way 2 = The petition data link https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/700143.json seems to have a suspiciously high number of non UK entries (although this ABOUT section may be relevant as well The data shows the number of people who have signed the petition by country as well as in the constituency of each Member of Parliament. This data is available for all petitions on the site. It is not a list of people who have signed the petition. The only name that is shared on the site is that of the petition creator.) can someone else try because I'm done with this guy

this still doesn't pertain to current situation in any way - and burying your head in YouTube videos and blogs which sound "arfentic" by quoting ancient script doesn't mean what you think it means

yep - there were people - but not jazzer And as I've noted before to lose one PM mid government is unfortunate - but to lose 2 - and with such catastrophic consequences should have led to a GE around time of Sunak appt - there is a constitutional argument to be made at that point - at what point is it the same broom if you change the handle 3 times and the head 4 times And I've also said if Labour were to overthrow Starmer (and in the sane real world there is no chance of that happening) and replace with someone like Corbyn then I would argue there is a case for an election there too

yep totally stable remember when Johnson messed things up and was about to be replaced - were you calling for an election then? what is the purpose of posting all that Magna Carta bobbins - how is it in any way pertinent in 2024 to a newly elected government - you are just spouting nonsense you read and see on YouTube - you have nothing resembling a case or a point the electorate for example may well change their minds. - and they can express that at the next general election (unlike the debacle that was the Brexit referendum for example)

pretty much everything in this post is why after 14 years the last govt were chucked out - don't you get that? if you don't want an economic crash you shouldn't have voted for Brexit (and Labour shouldn't be sticking so much to their red lines either) I'm basically saying everything you say is hypocritical and again - have a look at the countries where most of those petition signers are coming from- it's not the UK

"No I'm not unstable, you just don't like" Can I stop you there? Leaving aside the first bit of that statement (and I'd be interested in what other readers genuinely think about that) there is little point jabbing a finger and saying "you just don't like" when it is YOU that "just doesn't like" a democratically elected govt with a massive majority and are taking steps to over throw it with pathetic excuses As I've pointed out the last govt did many many things not in their manifesto, changed leader 3 times without presenting to electorate - so don't give me any nonsense about "I just don't like"

and were people like you worried about "cutting hiring, prices going up and new business not starting" under the last govt or as a result of brexit I don't have labour blinkers - I didn't even vote labour at the election. But do take a look at the data for that petition - and see how many actually come from UK

oh I'm sure all the concerned citizens were launching petitions when unelected Truss crashed the economy and her party picked another leader - all without facing the electorate The notion this is democracy in action and not anti-labour rhetoric is laughable PS bots can create and verify email addresses "Trying to dismiss nearly 2 million people, all of whom had to verify their email address, as "a bit unstable" is low even for you." an election was just held - and there will be another one in a few years. objectively, signing a petition like this is more than a bit unstable behaviour. That's objective fact - it's not "low" If Starmer gets ousted by his own party and Labour select someone else to take over (Corbyn!) without facing the electorate then yeah sure - that would be reasonable grounds for expecting an election But that isn't going to happen any time soon - no matter how many YouTube videos people watch even for me

If I were in govt and chose to investigate why people were signing (if they are people not bots ) then I would read forums like this and conclude that the people most likely to sign this petition are: a) never going to vote for Labour anyway b) more than a little bit unstable and posting random links from far right YouTube sites there have always been people like this in the country and now they have a way to express it - in no way should it deflect a government or represent majority of people

If I was a half-aware human being I would wonder why anyone would believe those signatories were real and not bots but even if they were real - uk elections are held every 4 or 5 years. Now sit down everyone

Jazzer appears to have correctly deduced the origin of my username. It’s from a long running Japanese RPG series I used to be seanmacgabhann then straferjack now sephiroth but what - and I mean this well - the f*** does this have to do with anything im going to suggest, like everything in jazzer’s life, it has no connection with anything but he continues to pluck at random strings to try and connect to… oh I dunno

Stop posting contextless YouTube links and make an argument with words. In English. if the YouTube link backs up your argument then all well and good. But just links on their own is demented

All of the loons calling for overthrow of government or signing the petition to “call an election now!!!!” same people who laughed at people like me when we suggested before triggering article 50 that maybe a pause for consideration on the back of momentous decision would be wise “enemies of the people” we were. Even tho we were entirely democratic and sensible as there was no way to reverse that Brexit shambles so another poll was wise yet an entirely regular general election, something that can be reversed in 4 years, is driving people like jazzer demented even tho Labour won a landslide. poor jaz can’t even wait a few years to vote again

Worse than gb news Signs of unhinged minds

Someone. stage an intervention. Please. is this the kind of crap he and people like him watch all day before coming online and telling us the people will rise up is he… gulp… the future?

And so is that YouTuber

Some random inadequate in a bedroom in their parents house You would think jazzer would recognise how sad these videos are then again, maybe its jazzer himself