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"Badenoch would get my vote. " KB is clearly more inept than Truss and just as deranged - it really doesn't speak well to your judgement if you think she has what it takes

It’s not that you disagree with Labour. I often find myself disagreeing with them too it’s the catastrophising. And the phrases you use you might consider yourself a left leaning centrist. And maybe you were. Very little sign of it now serious question. Election tomorrow. Which party would get your vote ?

No it doesn’t - not all of them are even bad or down to a new government and none of them compare to the shitshow inherited, the brexit debts mounting or the pensions lost to truss not even close For a start ”ii) £300 Pensioner heating allowance withdrawn” isn’t even accurate - many pensioners will still receive it Just the bbc is it rockets? Totally believable - maybe you even believe it yourself chinny reckon

I think it's possible to view several of the mistakes labour has made as "not good" without it equalling a disaster I know there is a narrative out there that this will play into Reform hands - but you would have to look at all of the major issues and think Reform would do a better job. No sane person could think that. And then there is the obvious problem with Farage - people don't like him. Oh I know in some heartlands he has a big enough core - but the country as a whole? Nah I think labour are being clumsy in some areas, wrong in others, deeply dissapointing in some cases - and yet even before they were elected I knew most of this was likely - just because of the size of the problems facing the country (and I still reckon most people haven't quite grasped how bad things are after 14 years) coupled with the fact that labour talent pool is mid-table at best, compared with New Labour years. All still HUGELY more desirable than what we have had previously tho

because they hang around very excitable online right-wing forums/YouTube videos where this stuff is poured into their brain by the second. And not being a very critical thinker, they lap it up

you'd have to go some to call the WASPI situations where most of the women knew well in advance and where it would cost bajillions we don't have a dsisaster you can call it unfortunate, slippery, political, clumsy But a disaster it ain't

I'm all for good design v bad design (accepting that can be subjective) but I suspect most people formally and actively objecting to this (and many similar schemes across the country) aren' TOO exercised by the design - it's just blocking for blocking sake and is a major reason this country can't build anything If we are going to house people, not everyone is going to have a parking space or garden - sorry kids. look to Europe and other parts of the world where denser housing is more commonplace. I can't see any reason why a major capital like London can't build schemes of this scale

well.... https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/dec/12/majority-of-brexit-voters-would-accept-free-movement-to-access-single-market-uk-eu

Loving the irony of a thread which is supposed to be "Rachel Reeves yeah? she's as bad as Liz Truss!" which is clearly not true - but has now morphed into some people praising Kemi Badenoch - someone who may ACTUALLY be much worse than Truss. She is barely in touch with reality I mean: WTF is she on about here: https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/kemi-badenoch-lunch-breaks-are-for-wimps-and-sandwiches-are-not-real-food/

Please everyone. Do watch or listen to that PMQ. Because if you think starmer got a battering and Badenoch didn’t come across as patently ill-suited to the job… well, jazzer has a friend

what? banging a saucepan not enough for these ungrateful so called "doctors"???

The cheap whiskey blend? or.....

A week after so many people had lives ruined in wales and tj complaining about “not having enough warning” and we have thread like this? hopefully it will pass without too much impact but why have a pop at people doing their jobs it reads like just an other excuse to have a pop at “authorities” “Little bit of drizzle” uodate https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41531939.html

3 weeks after the thread started and looking at the markets I think we can say that no - Rachel Reeves is NOT becoming the new Liz Truss Regular, garden-variety political missteps or "controversial" policy shouldn't be mistaken for the calamity of the last government - specifically under Truss

I dunno man no political party is going to be formed of people on the street, tapped on the shoulder, and asked “do you want to run the country? You’ll have to be elected and give up a lot for not a huge amount of money - fancy it?” political parties - grown up ones anyway - will be a self-selecting wonkish bunch. I’m ok with that. Doesn’t make them “elite” I often think English people just love nothing more than to suffer. And complain about suffering. But like it really.

I see Heidi Alexander’s appointment means the entire cabinet is state-educated for first time in history thats not nothing - especially if you are a “they are all metropolitan elites - all of em!!!” Type

this is mental - you are literally describing a completely different way of dealing with a situation - and claiming "it;s all the same". Because labour say "were not like them" and prove it by doing something that's the complete opposite of their predecessors If wrongdoing comes to light, a party can either try and brush it off and ignore it - or deal with it immediately which do you want? what would make Labour look good in your eyes in this situation?

Now it can be true that it will be easy to find people who believe either of those things, that doesn't make both those things true Objectively - a situation is handled very differently by two different governments. If some people decide to say "proof they are all the same" then we should be pointing out that that is wrong - not hand waving it away as something that people can choose to believe or not believe If the people who want to believe "they are all the same" have some better idea - eg Reform? - then they will have to have to explain how that party is packed with criminals so how does that improve things. "They are all the same" is usually code for "I don't really want to think about anything, I just want what I want" that, and whilst I find him infuriating in many matters, I can't see Starmer of all people reversing this decision.

It's not ideal - but can you not see the difference between how the PM acts in this instance versus how previous PMs acted? To me it underlines the difference between this govt and previous

Well she has resigned - so it makes a change from the weeks of denial before inevitable but if we are digging up offences from decades ago, can we revisit Badenoch hacking an MPs account?

“So your next line of attack is so start making it personal, carry on, eventually you'll get thrown out of here. ” how was my post a personal line of attack? how will I get thrown off? Will there be a petition? put the blunderbuss down, stop firing indiscriminately and try and address the points people make if you jump on a typo and someone does the same don’t fire off another round - try and understand why that typo reference was made But if you feel I’ve gone too far, do click the report button. Let’s just hope admin isn’t part of the liberal elite and doesn’t action eh? That would be just typical

Must you be so humourless Jester? you jumped on someone for a typo, so he was just playing with you "t's Jazzer, not Jezzer." "Why does Starmer continually blame the last Govt, now for immigration figures, can't he get on with the job in hand instead of using the same old line blaming the Conservatives, it becomes boring, " a - because the tories continued to use the same line on labour 14 years after the 2010 election b - because it has the benefit of being true whilst opposition try and paint him as someone who should have fixed everything in 5 months when they hadn't done any of it in 14 years Someone is a joke here but I doubt you will ever see it More seriously tho - he isn't WRONG to blame the last govt but he doesn't convince that he is going to do anything different Prime Ministers of any hue decreeing "we will drastically reduce the numbers" begs the question "how?" (assuming that you think it's a priority - I don't really - But I get that many people get SUPER angry about this) But UK would need to spend a lot of money setting up proper border posts and processing centres, move genuine arrivals thru quickly and work with other countries (again - major problem of Brexit and nothing Starmer says he will concede any red lines - so good luck with that) - National ID cards for everyone would also help track arrivals but English people seems to be dead set against those What won't work is leaving the ECHR, throwing red meat to right wingers or cod-schemes like Rwanda

Think he confused you with me RD

The long-standing narrative "I wish the politicians would treat us like grown-ups" doesn't stand up very well when exposed to reality

well yep - all of that is true and Labour boxing themselves in on Brexit red lines is counter to their growth narrative as well (albeit semi-understandable given what would happened to the media and likes of Jazzer if they are even perceived to soften them) choppy waters ahead - but that would be true of any govt picking up the pieces and in no way validated the petition hysteria