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Rereading robbin's posts from around the referendum, it's hard to square them with someone who didn't want to Leave as well as the quote below, there was a whole bit about if we remain Turkey will definitely be joining the EU which is straight out of the UKIP/Leave playbook robbin: "I wouldn't panic if I were you, in the (unlikely) event there is a 'Leave' majority vote this week. The sky won't fall in. Longer term we will also be able to enter into free trade agreements with huge markets like India and China, which we are barred from doing individually as part of the EU (the EU talks opened with India in relation to their massive economy in 2007, but still no great progress!). Australia is another Commonwealth country we have always had close ties with (as with India) but which we are barred from having our own free trade deal with as part of the EU. There will be plenty of economic opportunities far exceeding those in the EU (in regard to which, after all, we are net importers, not net exporters). It would be a shame if because of scaremongering from people who cannot be trusted (eg Dodgy Dave), or people with vested interests, you took a short term view and left to move abroad to some EU country. Go for the sunshine by all means, or the food, but not for the wrong/short term reasons!"

"I?d agree Ireland has been a tool for both sides on this, and I think it?s interesting no one, absolutely no one, was talking about the border during the campaign. Because no one had a clue what to do about it. " sorry Joe - but this is bobbins on two counts Ireland is a smart enough country to not be a tool on anyone side - bit of an insulting comment tbh Secondly - people WERE talking about it - but they were either nobodies like me, someobodies that are people who are now disliked, like Blair, or generally dismissed as part of Project Fear Like so much of this, we are in a mess precisely because this country is insufficiently interested in listening to others here are two big names talking about Ireland weeks before the referendum https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/09/tony-blair-and-john-major-brexit-would-close-irish-border Here is Boris Johnson dismissing fears months before the referendum https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-35692452

"happy to leave, think > everything will be ok or amazing" I didn't think painted you as a die hard Leave voter? I just thought it was a summary of your current position? As for the tone of the debate - look, I'm sorry if you don't like it. But not EVERYTHING has a weighty balance of pros and cons. Somethings are self-evidently bad - this is one of them, It's not my fault if you are determined to find the pros. We COULD debate for ever - it won't change the actuality that we are currently scheduled to leave the EU in a couple of weeks, without a deal with widely predicted catastrophic consequences. And we are doing it led by a shower of inadequates, and a similar opposition. The Leave leaders at time of referendum have walked away from positions in cabinet and abandoned the country to even lesser intellects

Two things will happen 1) we leave the EU - with or without a deal. It will be either hideous or so hideous as to be untenable. Either way, we will, without any shadow of a doubt, be applying to join the EU at some point in the future. And of course we won't have any of the opt outs we have now# 2) We revoke A50 and cancel Brexit and save everyone a lot of pain, worry and time. I don't really care how - I tried to be nice and support another referendum but too late for that now SO my advice to Leavers would be ditch the ego, and the fevered dreams and do this sooner rather than later Of course, the reaction to this will be "you are arrogant, attitudes like that etc etc" - I literally don't care. What I DO care about is the state of the country - you are not taking a responsible attitude towards it. You are taking a highly dangerous attitude towards it - that's on you and has nothing to do with what I say or how I say it

" But I don't think you can mean that really, can you?" Jenny - love your posts, but you must have realised by now that keano is a bit "Typewriter Courier 12 FONT on A4 paper posted to the lamppost by the station" by now? I've long stopped trying to see the good in people - simply look at his posting history. It's simply not pleasant

It is amazing how most people in the rest of the world can see how crazy the whole thing is - apart from the diehard, committed leavers Tusk is only doing some straight talking and instead of thinking he might have a point, it's all "ha ha - the EU are starting to blink" It's possible, I suppose, to think that people like Farage, JRM, Johnson and co are on the side of Good - and most people viewing this madness are Wrong - but it's unlikely isn't it? And as I said to robbin, if people like me are wrong, whoopsie. Ah well But if Leavers are wrong*, then yes, "hell" won't be too far off the mark *and they are.

@ robbin "Just so I'm clear, what do you mean by "people like you Robbin"?" People like you = are happy to leave, think everything will be ok or amazing

I?m happy with my sense of proportion (if not what it tells me) But complacency and arrogance will be this countries downfall - it wouldn?t be the first country. And it won?t be the last. But it does fancy itself as ?above all that?

That?s definitely part of it Joe But I?m saying - In flat contradiction of Robbin - that the country is on the brink of total disaster and meltdown. Even some of the leavers in govt realise this. They have read the impact assessments and can read the runes They just didn?t expect people to be so credulous of all of the promises over the last few years. Once the fit hits the shan, the people who have been in power for last couple of years will be sought

And in breaking news: from the Times ?New Cabinet ministers told PM it's time to go public with the reality of no deal Rudd said the Govt needs to be 'straight with the British people' and lift lid on implications for national security Gove apparently supportive & called for daily TV and radio adverts?

And why are leavers, from the govt down to joe soap in the street, starting to say things like ?if we leave with no deal, blame Brussels? It?s because they know what?s coming. If it wasn?t so bad, there would be no need to blame Brussels

? By the way - if everything you have said turns out to be true by the end of May 2019 I will eat my words. I won't do it naked, or on television, or hopping down the South Bank, but I will eat my words.? And remainers (like me) who think the worst will happen should also be able to eat our words But if it is remainers eating their words, then so what. No one will have been affected or harmed. Yay! But if people like you Robbin are wrong, then I?m not sure you eating your words will provide sufficient comfort

Cat You are an immigrant and faced all of the challenges that that entails Some of us moved around countries which had freedom of movement. That has been taken away from us. That is a material change

I'm Irish but my partner and kids are all English - and yes we can join the queue for them to get Irish passports - but if that's a benefit, why are we giving it up? And that's all just the admin - it's the wider implications that bother me far more - as I say, irish are deemed "ok" for now. BUt we all know where this is going If you could show footage of what's happening in the commons now (now deal, regsitering citizens, army plans, kent car parks etc) to voters pre-referendum so it wasn't just project fear - not a chance this dumb, crazy idea would have gotten close to winning the vote

"Why are they annoyed? There are a fair number of undesirables who have been attracted to this liberal charitable country of ours...even the Romanian mayor thanked the UK for taking the Romanian criminals- where my sister lives in Essex they are sick of the anti-social behaviour in their neighbourhood alone." Hard to find a single syllable of this that isn't racist or xenophobic - but then look who it's from. Some times the ball and the man are the same damned thing On a point about people who have been living here for decades, paying taxes, forming lifelong relationships, having kids, free to move around who suddenly find themselves having to apply to stay here, old Unc here decides to start prattling on about forrin' criminals in Essex. Did Essex not have any anti-socials or criminals before then Unc? The fact that the country is so imperiled by Brexit is bad enough - that it's happening to appease bigots like thos fool is beyond comprehension technically, as I'm Irish, I "get a pass" from having to apply. But we all know that's for now don't we Unc? Already we Irish are causing problems for you proud bulldogs and that won't be forgotten

Ireland cat, Ireland. Stop prattling on about your tolerance levels for recession and get real Or talk about those families paying hundreds to apply to remain. The sheer stress caused by uncertainty This isn?t something you get to shrug and glibly talk about personal risk levels You talk of drawbacks In the European project - could you spell out how any of these drawbacks have negatively affected you, anyone you know or even the country as a whole?

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Not sure an article by hardcore brexiteer Fraser Nelson (Telegraph/Spectator), in a Murdoch paper constitutes "a view from across the pond"

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If I was sending you certain documents - let's say a mortgage deed and a covering letter - I would have both files in a folder and I could see the deed was (let's say) 1mb and the covering letter was 97k So if I sent them to you but you are saying you only have attachments with a size of 1 and 2k we would know the problem is not your ability to open the files, but the fact that either my security, your security or your service provider were stripping out the important documents But if you had file sizes the same as me and you couldn't open them then I would say the problem is definitely on your side So it's about determining where the problem is, to better fix the problem

Yeah - I would say there is no significant data in either of those files directly I'd be surprised if they were sending important info in htm files anyway detach everything into a new folder - open that folder and make sure you can see the file sizes for all files, screenshot that and send the screenshot to the sender and ask them to check their source files

what size are the files? If the should contain significant data they will be more than a couple of kilobytes but if they are just 6k or something the problem is at the sending end