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Seabag Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > miga Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Seabag Wrote: > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > ----- > > > Let's have a pointless discussion over what > wok > > is > > > best > > > > Unnecessarily harsh, aren't most discussions > > pointless? We're all gonna die in the > end....let's > > turn the forum off. > > > Woks are spun steel or at the top end of the > market, hammered steel. My two were made to order > (hand beaten) in Singapore. This is my > contribution to the pointless discussion bit. > > Cast iron, not generally seen those. That's impressive. This is the type I had, first bought in a Chinese supermarket in Australia 20 odd years ago. It needed seasoning, then oiling after use. I perhaps misunderstood that most Chinese restaurants eschew expensive woks for this type. https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B003UCFGZE/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1503774397&sr=8-1&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_FMwebp_QL65&keywords=cast+iron+wok&dpPl=1&dpID=41IeRVp68tL&ref=plSrch

Seabag Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Let's have a pointless discussion over what wok is > best Unnecessarily harsh, aren't most discussions pointless? We're all gonna die in the end....let's turn the forum off.

The refunds are a bit of a joke really - the amount of time you need to spend on the phone to even get there is certainly not justified by the payback you get, and most definitely won't cover the true cost of inconvenience for not having internet available. I guess they're justified in the sense that they're refunding you for undelivered service, but is a few days without internet really n/30*monthly fee worth of inconvenience?

The first thing you typically do with a proper cast iron Chinatown Wok is to season it, which breaks all those rules....

A boy at primary school was diagnosed with "angina pectoris". We all (including him) thought it was hilarious for the same reason.

rendelharris Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > DulwichFox Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > miga Wrote: > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > ----- > > > how is Sidcup not London? > > > > > > Sidcup is in Kent.. > > > > DulwichFox > > It used to be in Kent, since 1960 something it's > been part of Greater London. If you go back far > enough (1889) East Dulwich was in Surrey! Zackly. It's London.

how is Sidcup not London?

Loz Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > miga Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Despite all that, in a hypothetical second > > referendum, would people still vote Brexit? > > Quite possibly. Many people, rightly or wrongly, > still do actually believe Brexit will make their > lives better. > > Which is why Brexiters are so very against the > concept of a referendum on the final deal - once > people actually see what the future really is, > they may not be so keen. I think the result would be pretty similar, based on personal experience and anecdote (and things like this thread). There was a poll 6 months ago that had numbers more or less the same.

You can expect a whole lot more hassle on the border when you go for holidays, for a start. Unless you take out British citizenship, which itself will take yonks as everyone else does the same.

Despite all that, in a hypothetical second referendum, would people still vote Brexit?

> I personally would like to know how much money has > been sent out of the UK over the years by these > workers, and given that they use the NHS, school > system, created a housing problem in cities etc > -are they actually worth it, on balance? You can do yourself a favour and find out. Or just take my word for it: yes they are.

Loz Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The problem is that Brexit is a massive change and > yet we have a government that seems to have no > credible plan as to how we are going to get there. > And, to make it worse, we have an opposition who > has no idea either. Exactly. A step into the unknown, no clear goal (other than "Leave"), no clear plan. Still.

A year ago I was unpleasantly surprised at the way so many people could displace their discontent with society at large into a vote for such a poorly understood future. I couldn't say for sure whether it would be a disaster, or whether as some cheerier souls predicted it might be an opportunity to rebuild trading and political relationships to better suit us. As negotiations move on, however, it becomes increasingly apparent that as the weaker, less united, less competent side in the talks, we won't be setting the terms of exit. Several examples of backflipping from the story earlier told for domestic consumption are now well documented. For the xenophobes who voted purely on fears of immigration, it must be clearly apparent now that Brexit won't drastically change the numbers. It turns out too that the UK was doing far less than it could to kerb immigration within the available guidelines of the EU. For those who thought the City had something special to offer that nowhere in the EU could match, behold the relocation announcements of the big banks. Sure it's operational at the minute, but why would the main functions not follow suit over an extended period? The state machinery looks like it will have to grind through years of reworking for new rules. News to me was the fact that to rework the 1000s of pieces of legislation in a sane timeframe (the Great Repeal Bill), special powers will be used to push legislation through without ordinary scrutiny. This worries me, and definitely doesn't constitute taking back control. If Brexit by now isn't objectively a disaster, based on the above, I'd like to hear some Brexit success stories that would prove the rash optimism of Boris Johnson et al a year ago was in any way justified?

In kind.

This thread is going in a dark and unexpected direction.

Nigello Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The thing I take from this is that most people > agree that everyone should pay tax. So, how many > people will stop paying their > dog-walker/cleaner/window cleaner/mobile > beautician** in cash and demand a receipt? > > **Not all of these kind of workers are by default > tax defrauders. That will line up with the answer to the question of how many people fancy paying their cleaner 13-14 an hour instead of 10?

I find the long droning posts of 4-500 words that take up half a page tend to kill my interest in a thread. Give me cooker replacement over that any day.

Would make for great reality tv - following the fortunes of the unemployed royals.

Mine's pretty vanilla - but i found that over 2 yrs my policy went up massively (easily 50-75%). Yet shopping around, I got it back down to the original price.

If you just want them reused, dry cleaners often do.

Yeah, let's focus on this guy getting hit, that's the story here.

Someone will go to jail, the fault might be found with one contractor, or management agency. But the fault, in my mind, is with a far wider group, and in very abstract terms, with the system that dehumanises the poor.

Someone will have to do something about pensions and care (or watch that deficit rocket) in the years to come, and it won't be popular.

I feel very sorry for May, on a personal level. This (being PM) is something she's been working towards most of her adult life, and by most standards, she is a remarkable person. Bright, extremely energetic and diligent, able to navigate the shark infested waters of top end politics. But put yourself in her shoes - she takes the reins as the country is looking down the abyss on the back of a decision she herself knew was stupid, obliged to follow through in the aftermath by the swivel eyed loons in her party that precipitated the debacle of Brexit, and in the medium to long term looking at a pension and care mountain that is insurmountable unless some radical policy change is made. When she speaks on her former brief - she's all over the details, a clear swat. But, unfortunately (and to me, this is an irrelevance) - she's not particularly charismatic. The best thing she has going for her are the bickering opposition, who helmed by a similarly non-TV friendly leader have been a shambles since the last general election. So of course she calls an election to strengthen her hand, both within the Tory party and for Brexit. Now, she has to make deals with a bunch of corrupt extremists to stay in power, and stares down the long barrel of Brexit negotiations where she'll get hammered by the other side who smell blood and weakness. Surrounded by bench warmers (you wouldn't want power now if you were a long term thinker - so it's all 2nd XI around her) who want her place. A modern tragic hero. Not that I voted for her, but I feel a degree of sadness for her.

She made the right call based on the information she had - I saw it as a classic display of power, like when Germany are up 4:0 against Brazil and still going for it. It was meant to give Tories power for decades.