Spartacus

That's not the problem this is trying to fix!

@melbournemarcus you say cars are "stored" for free Aside nornal taxes, including council, income and NI, car drivers pay additional taxes in the form of VED, insurance tax, fuel duty amongst others which all comtribute centrally towards maintaining the inferstructure. On thw other hand cyclists and pedestrians don't pay additional taxes to the same extent. Therefore what justifies your desire to squeeze the pips of vehicle owners even more ? I'm sure you would soon be up in arms if yiur ocado delivery couldn't occur because the cost of driving onto yiur street prohibited it !

I believe its called Parking not storage But possibly the same reason that we can walk or cycle freely down the road.

If you think councils play fair thwn this may open your eyes https://www.brixtonbuzz.com/2025/05/from-unlawful-to-approved-in-48-hours-lambeths-magic-planning-trick-gives-brockwell-live-the-green-light/

This reminds me of "the grasshopper" at Westerham when a tabloid paper did an exposé about their swinger parties (many many years ago) The result was that every man and his dog went there to see if they could get in to a party. Pub did amazing business but think the club may have closed as a result. Bet the Telegraph article will be great publicity for belair sex parties and every pervert under the sun will invade Dulwich village and the square (of shame)

@DulvilleRes, you seem very obsessed with who oneDulwich is. with such obsession have you not uncovered who is behind it yet? If not, then strange that you seem to want others to do what you haven't 🙂

Just imagine if we lived in Oxford https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/oxfords-ltn-farce/

An interesting coverage of letters from both sides in the guardian https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/may/18/evidence-shows-that-ltns-improve-peoples-lives

Sue, if you put on a Dog mask, I'm.sure Bob will say "nice bit of wensleydale Grommit?" to you at the drinks

That's Bad Brie-havior knocking someone luke that mal

Sounds like you are implying that those who oppose LTNs, on the grounds that they dont really reduce overall traffic across a wider area and may be responsible for increasing pollution on major boundary roads, are Reform Supporters ? Careful... Still its a change from the usual cry that its all a Tory led plot ... 😅

I’ve got a great joke about a wheel of Brie... But I can't tell you it, it's too cheesy.

Who are we to diss a brie ?

Is it the smell of council officers pooping themselves over the two recent court defeats at Lambeth and what it could mean for Southwark? 🤣

Its also on the bbc BBC News - Campaigner wins legal fight over park festivals https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c20nkqd30dqo Lambeth's Lawers aren't doung well in the courts at the moment. Bet they won't be in post much longer 😅

Lordie Earl, you do sound like a council officer when you respond 😅

Simple question Earl What's the point in a consultation if the results are dismissed ? Something that so obviously happened in Lambeth and appears to have occurred in Southwark

But, the real decision makers, those who make the recommendations aren't elected are they ? That's where it all falls down

For most services: waste, housing, social care, and so on, the council isn't making sweeping changes so no need for referendums in local matters but when major changes are introduced , for exanple use of green spaces for commercial ventures, changes to how public realm is used (parks, CPZs, LTNs, Library services...) then yes a public referendum might be needed rather then a few council officers deciding what they want and then ignoring public opinion. Yes, there are local elections but they just change the councillors not the officers and we all can see where the real power on councils sit, it's not with the councillors. So therefore a referendum on how are roads are used is possibly needed as local people are the ones using them not council officers in their ivory towers who possibly only visit the area when they want to do a survey or have a meeting. Having data is not the same as physically observing the impact (lesson 101 in analytics)

So you're basically saying that a small group of people, who work for the council, and who may not live in the area should have more sway over what locals want ? Interesting, as only councillors are elected but council workers aren't so often it's not really representative democracy is it? Councillors have very little power when inserted into the council machine and they rely on council officers for most things. Bit like the old Yes Minister relationship

You make it sound like a conspiracy theory 😅 It doesn't surprise me he's in the picture, along with other people who objected to the LTN. Nothing unexpected in the photo, bit like any campaign group would have taken for any other subject

An interesting twist The campaigners are requesting that Lambeth pays back any fines generated by the LTN Estimated at over £1 million in 6 months https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/05/10/unlawful-ltn-takes-1m-from-motorists/

Should this thread have the words "Carry on" added to it ? That of course would lead to questions on who plays whom Sid James as Farage or is Kenneth Williams more appropriate 🤔 We could have a whole separate thread on this alone.

Sorry Mal, looks like you are going solo as Ted isn't sharing his fudge with you 😅

Nigello, would love to revisit this in 10 years and see if the lane is the same, better or worse. Will be an interesting thing to watch and sometimes a simple change is the catalyst for bigger improvements to occur. Guess we can't at this time predict the future