Firstly Jah, I bet your mother didnt own a dish washer or an underwired bra etc, but that doesnt mean she wouldnt have wanted one if they were available. Thats a rubbish argument. She did it because she had to!! MM, my kids are actually old enough not to moan about it but being the brats that they are, they do. Also as a family of five greedy fat barstewards my shopping trips always involve at least half a dozen bags and as I said I'm usually popping into shops/libraries up and down the lane. Please bear in mind that this doesnt usually happen more than once per week. I could, if I wasnt a self indulgent, lazy arsed, unorganized woman, be more conscious of my actions with regard to the environment, but Cest La Vie. The End