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Its a death trap. Always has been and suspect always will. Still Townley Road is far more important for Dulwichs little darlings although that is not a death trap and never has been

"Drivers will get 10 minutes' grace before being fined if they stay too long in council-owned car parks in England, the government has announced." The new leeway, expected to take effect later this month, will apply to free and paid-for parking spaces both on streets and in off-street car parks. Can you comment on whether Southwark will be complying particularly in regard to the Peckham/Holly Grove dropoff. Bearing in mind the last thread on this money generation camera

Perhaps it might be worth considering that any for or against debate on this subject is a complete waste of time as Southwark will do what ever they want regardless of public opinion. If you have 7 votes against including the Police and 2 for from the usual pressure groups you should be able to accept that you are being shafted 7 ways to Sunday.

keekybreeks Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > it seems that being made to driver slower is > really causing issues with the communities > masculinity and your god given right to drive like > a real man > > good. I have seen many women driving like real pr..tts

kford Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > They are not speed cameras. They're traffic > monitoring cameras, to observe driving habits at > key locations, such as junctions or traffic > lights, that's why there's a pair at the top of > Dog Kennel Hill. They're used to improve road > layout. See the photo attached of one in Grimsby. To improve? just like the fiasco currently on Townley Road. What will this bring in the future, Any suggestions or thoughts from Cllrs

Jeremy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Yeah I've been stung at Camberwell Station Rd, > waiting for my wife to pick up a parcel. That > camera must be a great cash cow! I'm kind of torn. > Although it was only a short amount of time and > inconvenienced nobody so you'd hope a "common > sense" approach could be taken, I'm not sure how > such a distinction could be made in practise. Looking at when the car arrived and when it left. Taking the p.ss, issue ticket. Unfortunately local authority workers no matter where in the country do seem to be lacking something where common sense and consideration is required.

It is a dead end street at the bottom of Holly Grove. Goes nowhere and cannot cause any obstruction. As someone else has mentioned it is a cash generation exercise for Southwark.

Penquin68 wrote "More what the councillors think they can get away with Considering the surprise often evidenced by the councillors who post on this forum, I suspect it is what the council officials think they can get away with (possibly a specific cabinet member as well in some cases)." Below is the minutes for the 20 mph situation, democracy at work. Total consultancy replies 7 against, 2 for motion carried Full report can be found on Cllrs thread posted by bluecanary Item No. Classification: Open Date: 9 July 2014 Decision taker: Cabinet Member for Regeneration Planning and Transport Report title: Determination of Statutory Objections Relating to the Proposal to Introduce a Borough-wide 20mph Speed Limit. Ward(s) or groups affected: All From: Strategic Director of Environment and Leisure RECOMMENDATIONS It is recommended that the Cabinet Member for Regeneration Planning and Transport: 1. Considers the seven objections and two supporting responses made in relation to the proposed order to make Southwark a 20mph borough; 2. Reject the seven objections; 3. Instruct officers to make the relevant traffic orders; and 4. Instruct officers to write to the objectors to inform them of the council?s decision with the responses set out in paragraph 17 of this report.

Re: Confusing Speed Limit Signs Dear Cllr Barber Question asked on a different thread ------------------------------------------------------ > Can we know where the 44 locations are and why > they have been selected. Council officers > choice,residents, cycle pressure groups or > expensive consultants. After the Townley Road who did what show I too would like to know the answers to the above. The answers are there as they made a decision based on them

Confirms what Charles Notice pointed out in a posting yesterday.

Green Dale? Hundreds a day in the summer. It's the main lower-traffic cycle route between Dulwich / Upper Norwood / Crystal Palace / Sydenham and London Bridge / City / Silicon Roundabout. I really do have the wrong place. Hyperbole in spades There is so much hyperbole regarding this junction. The statistics indicate it is not a problem except in people minds. Not quite true: I've personally experienced a handful of near-misses there on a bike & know others (all of us with 10+ years experience riding on London roads) who also have. Perhaps you all should take some extra coaching I am sure I spotted Elvis there the other day coming down Greendale. Common sense is all that is required.

Gabe Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > BrandNewGuy -- you don't need victim figures to > know this is horrible junction right at the point > where there are three schools (soon to be four) > and where one of Southwark's major cycle ways > crosses (and connects to two more large schools). > It is obvious this junction is a problem. > Hopefully it will be fixed before a tragic > accident. > > And, yes, there are many other dangerous junctions > and road layouts. "where one of Southwark's major cycle ways > crosses" Are you sure you have the right walkway. I have hardly ever seem cyclists use it. More dog walkers than bikes. There is so much hyperbole regarding this junction. The statistics indicate it is not a problem except in people minds.

In responce to @Woodwarde, Charles Notice wrote earlier "The officers sit in a room with a red pencil and draw lines on a map. Post a piece of paper on a lamp post and hope no one noticed what is happening Local pressure groups badger Cllrs and the thing gets passed. Most locals have no idea it happens. Join a local green or cycling pressure group and find out" How true this is turning out to be

it is amazing how danger has appeared since gentification.How did ED reach 2015. Safety is paramount but it does appear that people do not want to take responsibility for their own lives. If accidents do happen at this juction any offenders should have the book thrown at the. However Human rights will negate that. I seem to recall that the 20mpy for LL from GG to Whately road was going to stop all this. Why not get rid of the lights and put proper zebra crossings on EDR and both sides of LL yellow box , before and after EDG. Install cameras to monitor and charge if an offence is made.

Inform your mortgage company you are in dispute and they will not pay. Southwark will then have to take you to court to get a court judgement to force them to pay. Southwark cannot do anything until this has been undertaken. If you are in dispute ask for a fully itemised breakdown of all repairs. Remember if any are over ?250 per flat they need to serve a S20. Southwark may seem cheap but you will pay in the long run. More so if there is Council tenant in residence. Southwark needs money and all legal action will be paid by the Council Tax. Maybe people will listen to others stories in the future. If you have submitted a formal complaint it will be looked at by the complaints team. Stage 1 and then stage 2 if you still disagree. The Service charge collection team will not be involved apart from supplying all details that the compaints team require for them to make a judgement. Then if all else fails Southwark can then take legal action. Before legal action then you can take the matter to the leasehold tribunial, or what ever it is called now Do not be threatened.

How many people knew it was existing pratice? not Clr pressure

Why is this post discussing teachers parking, coaches, CPZ, local traffic when the thread should be about "Consultation on ?improving? the junction of East Dulwich Grove, Townley Road and Green Dale" to allow people however powered to cross the road from A to B. Crossing the junction Perhaps there are too many separate interests at work to ever produce a viable solition. My children went to Alleyns 25 years ago with the same situation as now with no problems. Why has it suddenly now become a major issue?

It looks to me like too many "special interest groups" got involved in the pre-consultation, which is also what killed the redesign six years ago. Like most things now in ED and Southwark .A small band can push thru whatever their fancy is at any given moment.

I think we are all at a loss to understand how the proposal can have got this far without asking for the views of residents - who are cyclists, pedestrians, bus-users and car-drivers, have children at local schools, and know these local roads very well. We all want this junction to be safe. But we don?t want changes that cause traffic problems all over Dulwich and East Dulwich, and make other junctions and residential roads less safe for pedestrians and cyclists. Like most things with Southwark they just hoped they could slip it through. Perhaps the Cllrs could be more on the ball?

titch juicy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Looks like an ingenious solution to me. Perhaps people would not move their cars to allow the plank to be put on the end. Imagine if it was and cars got dirty a whole new EDF thread

With regard to the proposal for this crossing I would like to put forward a very radical and possible live changing suggestion. If you are coming down Greendale and want to get to Townley Road and feel nervous just get of your bike and use the crossing facing Alleyns School. Alternatively if you want to cycle towards Herne Hill again get off the bike and use the crossing by the James Alleyn Girls to reach the road. .If you are coming Townley Road and want to go towards East Dulwich and feel nervous use the crossing and then proceed. No doubt the cycling brethren will insist they should be able to go anywhere willy-nilly without thinking. The same applies to our motorised drivers. You could even push your bike on the pavement to either school from these points if you are a child. As I have said it is a very radical suggestion and would need the application of common sense which seems to be lacking in many things these days, it would also save a great deal of money. I have been using this route since I was able to on a bike for almost 60 years in safety and am what you would call a local who has managed to survive. I cannot see why people cannot be responsible for their own actions in every day life. Unfortunately many local decisions are taken by faceless Southwark Officers after a single complaint and committees you never hear of in the local real world

EDOldie Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > There's a bus. Oh, actually there are several, > 185, 176, 197, P13, P4. You could walk to Forest > Hill (Overground) or even East Dulwich if you > fancied the walk. As you say 10/15 mins, not long > for a Dulwich Hamlet fan. You can walk to Dulwich > Park and the Picture Gallery and the Village (but > there's nowhere to go for a beer) or you could > have a very nice stroll in the woods (just over > the road). Walk to the Horniman. You could go for > some Tapas. It's actually not a bad spot and, as > far as I know there has been a pub on that site > for hundreds of years, its shown on Rocques map of > London in 1746 as The Green Man. So a bit of a > landmark, lets get it open again! Let it reopen as a normal local pub much as I remember it in th 1970's where you went for a pint and the children played in the garden. Unlike today where kids have to run around in the bar. It was a local not the "lets be seen expensive bars" that seem to be the norm in ED pricing thr local plebs out Showing my age

James Barber Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > HI IATATM, > No lack of interest. Lack of time - and I short > change my family too much as it is. And my new day > time job is more demanding that the previous two. 4 years too far?

What is Cllrs Barbers take and response on this "passed on the nod" Go to Community Council Meeting and you can see this in action. Unfortunaly many local residents cannot find the time to go so the few that want something backed by Cllrs end up getting it passed. Wrong

Otta Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Totally agree with LM. James does lots of good > stuff, but when asked a direct question that he > doesn't like the answer to he will show us just > whst a "good" (if good is being like all the rest) > politician he's shaping up to be, and avoid > answering it completely. Rather like dropped kerbs?