Millhaven

???? Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > There's reminiscing and there's harking back to > the 'good old days' > > I like reminiscing...I'll leave useless, sad, > harking back to the idiots of UKIP and the w*nkers > of the BNP Well said, quids.

DulwichFox Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > 20+ years ago there was still a real sense of > community. > That has gone and I feel the likes of which will > never be seen in these parts again. A sense of community is still here, it is just that it has changed and you don't feel included anymore. I'm an archetypical Londoner. One of those that doesn't actually make the first move when it comes to social discourse with my neighbours or strangers. However, when I had to knock on a few doors leafleting (re: temporarily lost pet) I found that there is very much a community and most were very friendly. I think we can sometimes make an insular world for ourselves by thinking that everything has changed and only for the worse.

rahrahrah Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Wow, this is a shocking revelation. I always > wondered what existed in those fabled lands beyond > the M25. It's a myth. The only thing that exists beyond the M25 is smog. oh and the dragons of course.

???? Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > We are as well missing a whole set of sub-culture > pubs from the past that have (nearly) died out > > - Copper Pubs - normally near a nick, lock ins and > extended licensing no questions asked > drug pubs - the only reason you went in was to buy > drugs and anyone who wasn't a local was there for > that. always a painful ritual of "i'll have a > bottle of Pils" wait 5 mins whilst the locals > decided if you were 'old bill' or not then if you > passed whosever turn it was would say "looking fir > anything lads?" > Pubs that took bets - a hangover from when it was > illegal but my grandad was always placing bets in > his local > Old school gay pubs - no banging house or smell of > poppers just a lot of blokes, some with cravats > Irish pubs - no hassle if you behaved, great > atmosphere...er, 'collection' for 'charity' near > closing time > etc, etc This is what you are missing folks.

???? Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Yup - EDT 1980s - one side old Irish/West indian > the other Millwall upstairs the 'trendy yuppies' > :). haha! I was in the audience at one of the EDT comedy nights and the compare asked some slightly late arrivals had they made the mistake of going into the pub instead of the side door that led up to the comedy bar? They all replied "Yes", to which he responded: "bit of an experience for you I bet"

???? Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I agree with a lot of what Parkdrive said. If > anything pubs were a bit more inclusive - although > there were a few which were um, 'edgy' > > the other thing about many (not all) old boozers > was that the demographic - class, age, race, > students - tended to be far wider that todays > 'niched and targeted' *puke offers. There weren't > really 'old mans' pubs as many old boozers are now > called. Better food service etc nowadyas > admiitedly but far less diverse. Aye agreed. One of my favourite locals (in the 80s/90s) The Gowlett Arms was notiorius for being very "Cliquey" Nearly every friend of mine that came to visit me there said the same thing. "Nice pub but a bit cliquey" I didn't see it because a) I was a regular and b) I worked there for a year. So I was part of the clique and it wasn't until I experienced being an outsider elsewhere that it became apparent that my friends were right. I haven't been in the G (as we liked to call it) enough lately to gauge what it is like but I imagine it isn't anywhere near as cliquey as back in my day. Yes, the pubs were more diverse back then but even that diversity had its little groups. Especially those with two bars (i.e saloon and a public bar for any kids reading this). My experience of growing up and drinking in Peckham/East Dulwich is that the irish and west indians (middle-aged and/or older) mostly chose to drink in the public bars together. Although even that wasn't quite 'together' but in the same part of the pub. You still see this in some of the traditional/old man boozers to this very day.

*Bob* Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > You forget, so many proppa 'boozers' were like > this. Territorial and tribal, with a malevolent > air. And people wonder why many aren't around any > more. > > Personality and character I'm all for, but now, > seriously, who wants to pay a fiver to sit with a > drink, scanning the room and wondering if you're > going to get out the door alive? Haha! Very true. I drank in various establishments along the Old Kent Road both when they were just pubs and also during that late 80s early 90s period when the pubs had turned into mini night clubs. Horrendous atmosphere most of time and trouble was so rife The Old Kent Road was once described as "The most dangerous place in Europe". I look back on those days with some fondness but mostly I am glad they don't exist anymore.

Parkdrive Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > It was the Havelock Arms, it was on the opposite > side of the road to the shop my father and I owned > in the 70's and early 80's. The owner, who was had > a local reputation as a bit of a villian, and his > family used to shop with us and we, naturally, > returned the favour. That was a proper family run > boozer. There was also a pub also on the opposite > corner, possibly called the Clarkson Arms, but I'm > not 100% certain. Clarkson Arms does sound familiar. I think I went in there just the once. As a part of a visiting darts team. My recollection is that we were made so unwelcome we all departed about 15 seconds after the last dart was thrown. Havelock Arms - was run by the mother and daughter of said villian and both were called Shirley (I think). And you are right, it was a proper family run boozer. Rarer than hen's teeth now.

nashoi Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > It's what the Plough got called for a while. Ah..Thank you, yes of course.

Can't remember the Foresters doing grub. erm...Goose and Granite sounds familiar but I am not quite remembering where that was. Wasn't the old Heaton Arms was it?

There was a pub on Meeting House Lane, Peckham (the road down the side of the police station) Havelot Arms (I think that is how it was spelt). Anyway, they used to have the most amazing *free* bar food on a Sunday. You could get every kind of seafood including and I kid you not, caviar and escargot. It was there that I first experienced both those particular foods. But they also did the traditional bar food like roast spuds and prawns and whelks. Also used to have a chappy touring the pubs of East Dulwich and Peckham selling seafood stuff like jellied eels (yuk!) and roll mops and what have you. You don't see those guys anymore. Another pub tradition gone by the wayside.

Seabag Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Butt, it wasn't always that way > > I'll get my goat > > *stands up to leave pub* *wince*

Yeah, with you Louisa, I was happy with some sweaty cheese or ham rolls and a scotch egg. How times change, eh?! I wouldn't touch a pickled egg even if threatened at gun point though. I have a hardy constitution but it isn't that hardy. Like wise pork scratchings or "pig's toenails" as we used to call them.

Who takes a goat to a pub? This is one of the many things wrong with pub life in East Dulwich.

healey Wrote: --------------------------------------------------- > Just young people. Nothing to be afraid of. oh I don't know, they hang around in such large groups.

Hipsters are scum.

red devil Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Think I know who you mean, although never heard > him say anything racist..used to sit at the front > of the bar that Ots dare not speaketh the > name...''C'mon Chels''? He probably saves it for when he is in the Castle where there aren't many (if any) black customers. In the EDT the idiot actually sometimes sits with some black 'friends' who are regulars. Bet they don't see the side of him witnessed by me though. Anyway, he is just one bloke and don't want this thread to be all about him as he isn't worth the effort.

Jah Lush Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Millhaven wrote - > > > > Oh him. Yeah, loud mouthed middle aged twat in a > ponytail. The Castle is not the only pub he uses > though, regularly spotted in the EDT and the Expo > too. Supports Chelski. Says it all really. Easy with the Chelsea dig now. We aren't all like him. Otherwise, yeah, agree about our pony tailed friend. He is a gobby probably never been to a game in his life pr*ck. I have noticed that his behavior is curbed in the EDT well it is when I am in there.

The Exhibition is nice enough but bloody expensive. EDT is alright and is reasonably priced (for East Dulwich) but some of the staff can be a bit annoying but they do very good food and good for football/rugby on the telly. probably my favourite if only the barstaff could serve in order and not just the first person they clap their eyes on. The Cherry Tree is expensive but good for watching football and other sports if that is your want. The Actress is ok - does nice pizzas and has large screen for sporting events. The Bishop is bloody expensive and is predominately 25 and under age group. The Gowlett - nice enough pub and as someone has already mentioned it has managed to retain enough of its old man pub charm with its new one bar make-over. (I used to work in there many years ago) The Castle - used to like it as it was the last of the traditional pubs left in the area but my last visit in there I was treated to a middle aged pony tailed idiot shouting out racial abuse to the tv. I'm not sharing a pub with a middle aged twat in a pony tail.

Otta Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Is the low cal version a 69er? Oi! That's filth!

I once saw a bloke take a piss on the dance floor of a club in Hull. Never seen a dance floor empty nor handbags grabbed up so quickly again.

The Metro is a tiny thing that causes me irrational rage in itself.

I'm pro-Mr Whippy. There. Said it. Go ahead and judge me.

Peckham is ice cream vendor bandit country.

I'm also old enough to remember when 'chav' meant youngster. Now it is used to describe someone as not having much class/breeding/style.