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titch juicy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > rahrahrah Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > I agree Titch, but actually reading about the > > plans for Peckham Palms and also the extremely > > precarious position of most of the salon > workers > > currently - weighing this also against the > > opportunity to improve the station entrance etc > - > > It's clear there has been genuine thought given > to > > how one might balance these things. The article > > Siduhe linked to above is quite interesting. > > > I admit, I haven't read it. Will do now. Have now read it and it just reinforces what i'm saying. The one word that leapt off the screen was 'segregation'. That's exactly what it is. Move them out of sight and out of mind. ?Peckham is one of our key town centres,? says Labour councillor Mark Williams, Southwark?s cabinet member for regeneration and new homes. ?There?s a number of projects we?re delivering to improve the area for residents. To enable that work, we need to move the existing businesses, which are predominantly Afro-Caribbean beauty businesses, so we?ll be building [Peckham Palms] for them.? For which residents? The residents that might want to use the posh new coffee shops, boutiques and restaurants and the kind of residents that you're trying to attract to the area that won't want to see black hair salons at work in their new posh quarter. Not for the residents that rely on the money being made in the hair salons; because business will definitely suffer from being tucked away out of sight. Footfall is a huge thing; the developers know this. If it wasn't they'd turn Bournemouth Close into a set of units where they could have housed Honest Burger and Peckham Refreshment Rooms etc.

rahrahrah Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I agree Titch, but actually reading about the > plans for Peckham Palms and also the extremely > precarious position of most of the salon workers > currently - weighing this also against the > opportunity to improve the station entrance etc - > It's clear there has been genuine thought given to > how one might balance these things. The article > Siduhe linked to above is quite interesting. I admit, I haven't read it. Will do now.

Seabag Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I'm slightly cautious that the predominantly white > middle classes are rubbing there chins about this, > because it suits their arms length 'P.C' agenda. > But be honest, most people really don't give a > toss. It's about money and not some darker > motive. > > In some way those salons make Peckham feel more > exotic/edgy, I wonder if it's partly that that > drives the 'concern' over the move. I'm also > cautious about emotive words like 'cleansing', > because in reality it'll not lessen the mix of the > community. > > There's another hair shop in E.D that's moving > because of development, but not a dickie bird of > interest from people. > The owners is Irish, his rent will be increased, > but who cares, it's just business, no? I think there's a fair bit if guessing going on this post. It might not be deliberate cleansing on a basis of colour/ethnicity, but the result is the same. It will definitely dilute the mix in the community. This is the whole point. The community has built itself around those businesses and others in the area for decades. Do people use the barbers in ED as community gathering place? Is it Sean's you're talking about? If so, I thought he didn't have to move. "Hopefully this post will put an end to rude ignorant people barging into my shop demanding that i tell them what is going on with the units on Barry Parade, while I'm working. All the shops on Barry Parade are owned by one Landlord. Yes.. He was approached by Sainsburys and they were going to redevelope but that fell through. He is now going to redevelope the Parade himself but not for a year or two. He has to get plans drawn up and planning etc. etc. Nobody was asked to leave...Everyone left on their own accord for different reasons. The shops are not been relet as they are in a bad state of repair. Workmen are taking down the parapet walls at the moment because the Landlord was worried they would fall because they are leaning forward.They are then putting up a nice hoarding to make the Parade look decent till he decides what to do. So at the moment 3 successful bussiness remain trading on Barry Parade.... The Neighbour Hood Vets.. Roy Brooks estate agents and Barry Road Barbers Thanking you Sean... Barry Road Barbers"

Sally Eva Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > thank you so much. How do you find the Walworth > Road? > > There's an alternative route via Surrey Canal > Path, Burgess Park, Portland St, New Kent Road, > E&C bypass which you might like to look at. > Basically the Bike Train route with a right turn > at the end > > > j3Ylf1S9eg44QbGvAD4qSbM&ll=51.49830130383333%2C-0. > 0878830999999991&z=12 > > Sally I use that route regularly too, although I find the surrey canal annoying and almost feel like i'm intruding on the pedestrians. I'd hate to be a pedestrian using that route, particularly with kids. I find Walworth Road mostly fine, It can get a bit snarled up at the end where it meets Elephant, but mostly I fly along in the bus lanes with no issues.

Seabag Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I'm slightly cautious that the predominantly white > middle classes are rubbing there chins about this, > because it suits their arms length 'P.C' agenda. > But be honest, most people really don't give a > toss. It's about money and not some darker > motive. > > In some way those salons make Peckham feel more > exotic/edgy, I wonder if it's partly that that > drives the 'concern' over the move. I'm also > cautious about emotive words like 'cleansing', > because in reality it'll not lessen the mix of the > community. > > There's another hair shop in E.D that's moving > because of development, but not a dickie bird of > interest from people. > The owners is Irish, his rent will be increased, > but who cares, it's just business, no? Yes it's about money- and that's part of the reason why it's so disgusting. Let's be completely honest about this, the kind of clientele they're trying to attract to the area won't just not use the hair salons, they'd be put off coming to the area because of them. I've overheard people on the overground, with well-to-do accents saying, "Ya Franks is amaaaaaaaazing, but peckham is such a shit hole". Peckham is NOT a shit-hole. Peckham is amazing and it's amazing because of Franks, because of Bar Storey, because of Khans, because of the Bussey Building, because of the grocers (the grocers are incredible!), because of Peckham Refreshment Rooms, because of the butchers and churches and hair salons. Basically because all of this stuff co-exists happily and harmoniuously. The area is almost a metaphor for London and the UK as a whole and anyone that wants it all smartened up and homogenised is utterly mad in my opinion. Peckham would lose SO much if on a Sunday morning you couldn't hear the joyous singing coming from congregations above the shops and the ladies in all their finery going to church and the amazing array of exotic fruit and veg in the open shop fronts and the gathering of communities in the hair salons with the kids all playing together.

Louisa Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > titch juicy Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > And saying that demographics change and areas > > change accordingly and always have done in > London > > is such a cheap, cop-out answer. > > > But Peckham has changed more than once in my > lifetime, and will continue to do so. And your > argument about what if wealthy Africans moved to > ED and transformed the area doesn't stack up. > Peckham was predominantly white working class in > my youth and many of the shops moved away as the > demographic changed in the neighbourhood. So you > could argue that those people were displaced using > your argument? The truth was, those people moved > onto new things and the Afro-Caribbean community > took over shops which otherwise would have been > derelict and empty, and those shops have served > that community of Peckham for a good 25 years plus > now. This new wave of hipsters or arty types > who've moved to Peckham are taking on abandoned > buildings and breathing life into them too. The > council are just taking advantage of the fact this > new wave of demographic is younger and it's > encouraging a nighttime economy in the area, and > they want to spruce up the station to take > advantage of this new reputation. The > neighbourhoods of big cities do change, and with > the greatest will in the world we can't stop that > from happening, as much as some of us, bang on > about it all the time on here (the G word btw in > ED). > > Louisa. That's a completely different example though Louisa. The units here aren't going to be derelict and empty, they have long established communities in and around them. That couldn't be more of an important distinction and i'm afraid you've completely glossed over the whole point by comparing the two. If the units were lying derelict and empty we wouldn't be having this discussion at all.

I cycle from ED, along Walworth Road, round E&C and up Newington Causeway to London Bridge and onwards. I think the segregated cycle lane that skirts the outside edge is excellent and makes it feel much much safer. It may slow the journey down by a fraction, but it definitely improves safety and anyone that feels miffed about adding an extra minute to their journey is probably more of a problem than the motorised vehicles anyway. Surprisingly, i've never had a pedestrian step out in front of me or get in the way. Perhaps because it's so well marked. Would love to see more of these.

And saying that demographics change and areas change accordingly and always have done in London is such a cheap, cop-out answer.

I think people aren't taking into account, or understanding the community aspect of this. It's not just hair salons being moved. These hair salons in their way are like the Turkish meeting houses. Places for members of the community to gather for issues to be discussed, for parties to take place. I've seen countless late night parties happening in the salons around the station. Saying there wouldn't be the same outrage if they were European hair salons is missing the point. Plus, they are a vital part of what makes Peckham Rye great. It adds to the undoubted colour and vibrancy of Rye Lane. Along with the Sunday worship that goes on and the various fantastic grocers, butchers and fishmongers. Imagine for a moment that the whole situation was flipped on it's head and that a wealthy African demographic had started to move en masse into East Dulwich and Lordship Lane wasn't how they desired it. How would you feel if they started getting rid of William Rose and Moxons and M&S and Franklins etc. and replaced them with black hair salons, African grocers and butchers and the like. There would be incredible gnashing, wailing and tantrums.

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Pardon the naive question, but would Picturehouse not have bought the building rather than renting it? If not, who owns it?

I would always recommend Corfu. As far away from Kavos as you can- so north of the Island. I spent a summer there 20 years ago working in a bar and we arrived the weekend before Easter. Easter itself was very special, all except for the constant baa-ing from lambs kept on a rope in back gardens for the big day, then the sacrificial cutting of throats. The spit roasted result was wonderful though!

Siduhe Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The Times has an entire article on this today - > including several recipes - behind a paywall but > this is what they report Anna Del Conte as > saying: > > Del Conte watched Mary Berry making rag? alla > bolognese, and her first reaction was that it was > not authentic. ?The traditional rag? alla > bolognese is one of a very few dishes that has in > fact has been written down, and deposited at the > Chamber of Commerce in Bologna,? she tells me, > when I call her at her home in Shaftesbury, > Dorset. The term bolognese simply means something > from the city of Bologna in Emilia-Romagna. What > you?re making is rag? alla bolognese ? > Bolognese-style pasta sauce ? and the real recipe, > she says, ?is made with red wine?. Tomato pur?e is > mandatory, but on no account should peeled > tomatoes make an appearance. ?And certainly no > cream ? but it is made with milk, which adds > sweetness.? That's pretty close to Carluccio's version (sans milk). Therefore i'm claiming some sort of moral Italian food high ground and declaring myself the winner (of something....not sure what).

El Presidente Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > How is going to Peckhamplex because they are > cheaper an ethical thing to do? There is no way > they pay their staff LLW on ?5 a ticket! No, going > there is actually embracing capitalism at it's > finest. You are embracing a company which uses > cheaper labour to provide a cheaper service. Which > is fine. Competition is good and will keep the > prices at Picturehouse in check. > > But it's not 'ethical'. Quite the opposite. Did anyone claim it was more ethical?

rahrahrah Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > BTW - I don't get the Peckhamplex v's Picturehouse > narrative here. It's not a zero sum game. You can > like and visit both. True. If I started that whole thing I apologise.

ozzy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > A guy from there told me they were re-opening on > march 16th selling indian food . Thank god; we've needed a decent Indian on LL for ages. All we need now is a pizza place, cheese shop and some banners on lampposts and we're set.

rahrahrah Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Interesting. I'm not sure of my view on this. As > long as they're being given space in the new place > at the same sort of rents, then I don't think any > individual shop should be allowed to stand in the > way of a redevelopment which benefits the wider > community. That said, what are the chances they > actually end up setting up business elsewhere / > get moved out - pretty high I'd guess. Pretty much agree with this. I'll be amazed if they do get offered that though.

rahrahrah Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I add half a teaspoon of marmite, but keep it > under your hat. Do you have to put the hat in too?

Barcelona tonight. Goodness!

Mick Mac Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Westnorwoodboy Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > "I'd love to know how a ticket price costing 3 > > times more can be justified for offering more > or > > less the same service (that's an extraordinary > > discrepancy when you think about it- what other > > industries that offer essentially the same > service > > get away with that?" > > > > Erm, it's easy there are fewer screens and less > > seats..... > > 3x5 = 15...... I have never paid that at ED PH > > And anyway, we should be comparing it to it's > peers , not to bargain basement Peckham Plex. I'd > guess ED PH is charging the same as most other > cinemas. But is it's peer. It's the only other local business providing the same service. The only things that differentiate are the price, the cafe and the fact that Peckham Plex has a much larger choice of films.

Westnorwoodboy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > "I'd love to know how a ticket price costing 3 > times more can be justified for offering more or > less the same service (that's an extraordinary > discrepancy when you think about it- what other > industries that offer essentially the same service > get away with that?" > > Erm, it's easy there are fewer screens and less > seats..... But Brixton Ritzy has as many screens and seats.

rjsmall Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Jules-and-Boo Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > there are other ways to increase profit than > > driving down staff costs > > That is assuming that they are trying to increase > rather than just maintain profits. The term > "driving down staff costs" makes it seem as if > they are attempting to reduce the current pay rate > rather than maintain it the level the staff were > employed at. It isn't at the LLW level but I would > assume the employees knew what the salary was when > they signed their employment contract. > > A slight side issue but I do find it strange that > people sign up to work for companies such as > Deliveroo, Uber etc knowing they are doing so as > contract staff and then complain that they don't > have the same benefits as a fully salaried > employee. Perhaps because they're desperate for work/money? The perhaps, once in the job they realise it could be fairer so campaign to make it so?

KidKruger Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I went to the place once and had the best Jalfrezi > I'd had on LL, ever. > So that was a winner for me. > Shame it's closed - Foxy did you say someone told > you it was raided ? > I wonder if that was by health & safety, drug > squad, or immigration / customs. > Of those options, surely only a H&S raid could > keep it closed ? Immigration raid could keep it closed too depending on circumstances.

Jeremy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > These things are often subjective. PP is great > value either way. Agreed.

Jeremy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > titch juicy Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > The technology (screen, sound etc) is no > > better...as far as I can tell. > > I'm a fan of the plex, but IMO the picture quality > isn't great. I really don't know to be honest. I'm not looking out for it, but i've never noticed a difference. And, even if there is, it's not enough that I notice and therefore have it bother me. The only time i've noticed a cinema picture quality difference is using the newest IMAX in Leicester Square at the Empire, where they have lazer 3D. That really is something. But is also ?20+.