seenbeen

Nigello Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Hedges that grow out onto pavements are hard for > less abled people or those with children. Can the > council cut them back? You can complain to the council about obstructions on the pavement in general- whether they will do anything about it is another matter

gromit3:16 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > when was the last time anyone saw spaghetti in > Sainsburys. cant find any in Southwark Wednesday at 12.00

hellosailor Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Yup. There are joggers on this thread and another > near identical thread on this forum explaining > how it?s really rather tricky to traverse other > people if you?re really ?in the zone? on a good > old run. These same individuals, we have to > assume, manage - somehow - to press the wait > button at a pedestrian crossing and jog on the > spot for a second rather than helplessly dart into > the path of a juggernaut because they?re so lost > in their own momentum that they can?t take steps > to avoid being killed instantly. > Essentially what these people need to do is just > to take a moment to consider that the lives of > people who they don?t know are as important and > valid as their own. > Would you sprint across a road without checking if > there was a risk to your life even if it slowed > down your run? No. > Do other people feel the same about their own > lives? Yes. Exactly.

Blah Blah Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Sorry DF, but not all viruses work like that. The > closest virus to COVID19 is Sars CoV (and the lab > name for COVID19 is in fact SARS CoV2). SARS CoV > does not produce eternal immunity according to the > latest research. It seems to provide early > immunity that decreases within a year. And SARS > CoV had a final mortality rate of 10% after the > 2003 outbreak. We still have no vaccine for SARS > CoV, although there is a lot of research towards > that end which may be helpful in developing a > working vaccine for COVID19. > > COVID19 shares 69.7% of its DNA with SARS CoV. So > it is far too early to assume immunity comes with > the virus. In addition, this is a virus that can > mutate, and the concern is of a second wave that > differs from the first wave. No immunity in place > then. The more the virus spreads, the more likely > that mutation is. And risking that before we have > effective treatment (or a vaccine) is too much of > a risk. > > Finally, on the issue of herd immunity. In most > cases, that has only really been achieved with the > help of a vaccine. We did not develop herd > immunity to measles because most children got it. > Every child is born without immunity to many > things. And measles is a very dangerous virus. > Millions of people dying from anything is the > reason why we create vaccines and try to prevent > pandemics. > > And as PN says. Suddenly having 18% of the > population (which seems to be the percentage of > people who need ICU care to recover) needing > hospital treatment, would mean the NHS being > overwhelmed with a million plus patients at any > one time. That inevitably would lead to more > people dying than need to. > > We have been lucky in the West, to have avoided a > real pandemic for 100 years. Asia, Africa and the > Middle East however, have not been so lucky, which > perhaps explains why they also are faster to > respond, knowing exactly what needs to be done. Accroding to Jennifer Sun of ContagionLive the present Covid strain is the 2002 strain that has mustated 5 times to become more contagious and worse in several respects. Also when they were trying to develop a vaccine for SARS after 2002 the rats and mice used were developing severe liver damage...I've always believed that prevention is better than cure and the markets should've been shut down- the WHO is useless imvho

singalto Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I agree that there are many obstacles in the way > of disabled people being one myself. There are so > many things that could?ve tackled before we get > rid of trees. Shops pile bags of rubbish on the > pavement, the pavements are a danger in places, > cyclists on the pavement, people staring at their > phones as they walk, drivers blocking the disabled > access dropped curbs. The trees are necessary but > the pavements around them need to be well > maintained. Overhanging hedges and people dumping rubbish on the pavement- in Sylvester Road the pavement is completely blocked outside one house. Dog mess is on the increase and add to that the inconsiderate joggers.

Gingergossip Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > So Joggers. How about you start respecting a 2m > gap? Its not a minority or just arrogant junior > hard-ons, it seems a universal joggers right to > ignore the 2m gap rule. > Why do they think the pavement belongs to them and > we should all get out of their way. To them it > doesn't matter if you're 9 or 90, they behave like > infants who must have their way. > > They run straight at you puffing and panting their > saliva aerosol all over and tut-tut you for being > in their way. > What is their special status in the world? > They're the agile ones why can't they get out of > the way of older people? I've had it with these > self-righteous aggressive little people. > Get off our narrow pavements! Yes and if your bushes overhang the pavement by 1/3 get out and cut your hedges

savvygirl Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Walk down Townley Road in the opposite direction > to Lordship Lane and when you come to Calton > Avenue, turn left onto it and walk down it until > you come to Court Lane, walk the length of Court > Lane until you reach Lordship Lane (a quieter > stretch) turn left onto it and walk as far as the > library, turn left there and cross over to > Woodwarde Road, walk to the end of Woodwarde and > turn right onto Calton Avenue and walk back down > to Townley Road. It's kind of like a triangle and > there are other side roads off Court Lane that > will bring you back on to Woodwarde. That way you > can vary your daily walk slightly. I'm sure > they'll be some lovely front gardens to look at. > > > Sorry for the length of directions. Hope you > enjoy your walks. I went that way at about 3pm two days ago - there are too many people at that time

FlatStanley Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Agreed. And I?m a jogger. The 20% (not 10%) are > letting everyone down. Let?s not forget the > pedestrians who don?t move a hot, usually > teenagers or young adults. I am obviously no spring chicken and when out for my exercise walk (my garden has no fences up between the disgusting bomb/building site next door so exercising there with the noise and dust is impossible) I only hear the joggers coming up behind me when they are puffing and panting a foot away....they can see me easily- get in the bloody road! (they probably do it deliberately- and I've got a vulnerable young adult in my house)

I cannot believe that countries are having to PAY China for these antibody tests....

gromit3:16 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > How do you get the motivation to do it. > Keep saying to myself get up early to exercise, > every morning this week when I wake up, I'll do it > tomorrow:-( must say- the concrete jungle is not very appealing but the air quality- except in Woodwarde Road- is better

If you are out jogging in the evening then steer well clear of Woodwarde Road as there are several houses burning wood and your lungs will suffer

I was hoping the whole affair was an April Fool

malumbu Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Any quail eggs? Yes there was a solitary half dozen...

Lambeth have overtaken southwark today for cases

Left sainsbury's at 2pm- very few hens's eggs- a few duck eggs.

A Nature article from 2004. Also a recent article about this virus... https://www.google.com/search?q=Cherry+and+Krogstad+Nature+2004+review&rlz=1C1CHWA_enGB524GB538&oq=Cherry+and+Krogstad+Nature+2004+review&aqs=chrome..69i57j33.13159j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 There is some technical language but there is enough layman's info to make sense of what we are up against https://www.contagionlive.com/news/can-we-beat-sarscov2-lessons-from-other-coronaviruses

There are 4 adults in my house. 2 vegetarians, one with IBD, and one other. Everyone was on a different timetable, in and out of the house- eating at different times- until the lockdown. It's an utter nightmare now. Added to which we have to put up with constant builders' noise from next door as we are not allowed to escape for long. I have been bulk cooking potatoes so that they can add whatever they want to them

this popped up on my google news feed today https://japan-forward.com/biological-weapons-the-focus-of-chinas-military-research-in-the-last-20-years/

KidKruger Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Surely bringing people together to reflect on a > critical existential conundrum is a good thing ? We can reflect all we like but the truth is we exist, and we are polluting and destroying our own environment- that's the conundrum

1 hour is going to make NO difference- it just makes people think they have done something and can merrily destroy the planet for the rest of the year....pathetic

Yes we all know about incubation periods- the builders in my area have been here for months....anyway the world stood NO chance since the first reported case was on 8th December in Wuhan as it turned out, and the chinese failed to inform anyone until 31st december....

At least we'll have one less hour of this wretched virus as the clocks go forward tonight

pk Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > seenbeen Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > JohnL wrote "I think there's maybe a 30% chance > > millions of us have it (I wouldn't be > > surprised)." > > > > Yes you are probably right but the problem is > that > > if the 30% go around willy-nilly infecting > people > > then some vulnerable people will get very sick > > and end up in hospital on ventilators, key > > workers get sick and cannot do their jobs- the > > NHS collapses (after all covid sufferers are > not > > the ONLY sick people), law and order may > collapse, > > food and medicines cannot be supplied - hence > the > > need to social distance and prevent unnecessary > > travel and contact- travel passes need to be > > issued to essential workers > > > One of you is saying that there?s a 30% chance > ?millions have it? > > One of you seems to be saying probably 30% of > people have it > > But do either of you have any basis for saying > either of those things? Doesn't matter....it is symptom-less but infectious for up to 2 weeks so...the important thing is to realise that the spread is exponential as these graphs from the DM show and that we are 2-3 weeks behind Italy...and if people continue to spread it..... https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8160411/UKs-coronavirus-death-toll-jumps-601.html?ito=push-notification&ci=11579&si=1160965

JohnL wrote "I think there's maybe a 30% chance millions of us have it (I wouldn't be surprised)." Yes you are probably right but the problem is that if the 30% go around willy-nilly infecting people then some vulnerable people will get very sick and end up in hospital on ventilators, key workers get sick and cannot do their jobs- the NHS collapses (after all covid sufferers are not the ONLY sick people), law and order may collapse, food and medicines cannot be supplied - hence the need to social distance and prevent unnecessary travel and contact- travel passes need to be issued to essential workers

Sue Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I don't think you can blame a jump in deaths on > builders travelling to work! Are you for real...