Robert Poste's Child

I get that, but what size of ego would you need to persist with that when you've been tried, convicted and sent to prison and your mates are devoting themselves to annihilating the person you've been judged to have wronged? He could easily have found a way to take responsibility for his part in the situation, and I bet since it happened he's had lawyers and PR people advising him to do that. (Crossed with above; was replying to Otta's.)

I find it interesting that culturally a lot of people don't seem to feel disgrace any more. That may be a good thing when you think how fear of it was often used to keep victims quiet, but I'm old enough to feel surprised that someone convicted of a violent crime feels a sense of entitlement to walk straight back into the successful lifestyle he enjoyed before he did it, almost as though nothing has happened, or it's just a minor setback.

To me it's not just the act and the lack of responsibility or remorse, it's that they amount to a fundamental flaw in his integrity. Until that's resolved, any football club that takes him on is condoning that, and given the influence footballers have on young people I would expect many to understand it to mean that an action is only wrong if you admit it's wrong. To put it another way, until he acknowledges that what he did was wrong and tries in some way to make amends to the victim (as a minimum calling off the trolls), I wouldn't employ him as I'd be concerned that lack of integrity will play out in other ways. Wish his girlfriend would dump him, though.

Sue Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Davis Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Your hyacinths may be flopping due to an acidic > > environment. > > > Eh? Don't worry, Sue, it's a peeved troll. Thanks for the advice. I think you may be right about them being weakened ny forcing and in a smallish pot. Will try planing my own next time.

I've been turning them. Think it may be that there's so little light that they strain too hard at a crucial stage of development and get stuck as they're all flopping in different directions.

The hyacinths on my kitchen windowsill are coming out but they're already falling over and I'm having to prop them up. This always seems to happen so I must be doing something wrong. How do you keep your hyacinths upright?

Louisa, 2011-12 was about the time I left, funnily enough! (Edited as posted too quickly...)

???? Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > So ironically you preferred the cliquey EDF drinks > of 2008 organised in the lounge to the latter > version which I think are part of the WOIED thread > and not attended by many lounge posters who would > be considered clique :) I wasn't generalising about forum drinks really - two several years apart can't be enough to judge on - more about how the Lounge has changed, but far as I can remember the only person present at the first one who has been named in this thread is Strafer Jack (though obviously under his previous name). But I could be wrong, given all the comings and goings, name changes etc.

Worth mentioning perhaps that the reactions of longstanding forumites can also put off other longstanding, if less prolific, forumites, not just newbies. I originally joined late 2007 / early 2008 (can't remember any more) and eventually gave it up when the banter kept tipping over into something nastier - I know it's not just me as I've met other people locally who avoid the Lounge for that reason. After a year or two the forum started to calm down a bit and that's when I decided to give it another try. I met a few people at a forum drinks in 2008 and they seemed nice. I went again a few years later and it felt completely different so I'm afraid I haven't bothered since. Virtual world is fine, though.

El Pibe Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > There's nowhere near enough sects in the EDF!!! As long as you don't join false sects.

steveo Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > No cliques just boys -v- girls For you, apparently!

To be fair, though, it's not only you/them as I took it upon myself to catechise Davis a couple of weeks back. Mind you, at the time I wondered if it was one of you/them having a quiet day at work.

There you go...

???? Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Robert Poste's Child Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > ???? Wrote: > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > ----- > > > light hearted post rather than heartfelt > debate > > in > > > a largely ridiculous thread maybe RPC? > > > > Ah. And is the dismissive bit in that one also > > light-hearted? > > it can be what you want it to be, I'm really not > bothered at all in getting involved in a debate > in the sort of pointless rubbish (including mine) > that this type of thread results in. Tis' all > pooterish and laughable in my opinion. So you're one of the perceived clique, you're joining in simply to dismiss the discussion, and at the same time you refuse to be called to account. Oh. Someone fetch Louisa...

???? Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > light hearted post rather than heartfelt debate in > a largely ridiculous thread maybe RPC? Ah. And is the dismissive bit in that one also light-hearted?

How is this 'clique bashing' so far? The post was started by Otta who's apparently in the clique. So far it just seems to be a discussion around whether there actually is one or it's just a perception and, if there is, who's in it.

Aren't they different topics? Could get confusing. (ETA was replying to Louisa, sorry.)

Davis Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Blah Blah Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > I haven't been around long enough to know all > the > > characters but I tend to associate the idea of > a > > clique with recurring themes, behaviour. In my > own > > case it the accusation of being a troll or > another > > poster after a handful of first posts. That is > a > > recurring theme of a small group of people, who > > never apologise when shown to be wrong it > seems. > > I think you are on to something here. Not necessarily - it depends on how genuine a newcomer seems to be. I stood up for Blah Blah at the time but thought Davis was too obviously provocative to be genuine. I could be wrong in either case, as I said at the time, but please let's not reopen that one here.

Plus StraferJack and El Pibe, who may understandably be trying to avoid getting drawn in but are definitely in the group people are referring to.

Think that post may support Dulwich Fox and Louisa's points earlier as only a few people will understand who you mean. Which user(s) are you referring to?

Bellenden Belle Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Loz Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > DulwichFox Wrote: > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > ----- > > > The Clique are a small group of regular > posters > > using Asides, In-Jokes and Masonic Style > > > Handshakes that are meaningless to most other > > EDF users. > > > > I don't know about anyone else, but I feel > rather > > crushed and devalued by that. > > Is Colin the cat-flap fitter in the clique? Try saying that after a couple of glasses of wine.

If clique means the hard core of prolific posters, I think you'd be in it, Louisa - you just don't always agree with the rest of them!

Sounds a bit extreme but I expect he knows what he's doing. Obviously I'm not a doctor, but the way I understand it, the brain runs on glucose and once your body has used up the available glucose in the blood and then the glycogen store, it has to start breaking down tissue to synthesize it. The risky part is that the process breaks down muscle as well as fat, which I believe is why extreme diets can be dangerous for people with heart disease or who are very unfit (years ago my grandmother had a heart attack doing the Cambridge Diet). Probably different if you're already fit, though, as it sounds like your son is, as the body will want to keep muscles it knows are being used.

Mick Mac Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Its a very long day already and I have not even > left work yet. Total consumption one mandarin > orange for breakfast and for lunch a small portion > of cottage pie and green beans. > > I'm looking forward to a small tin of red salmon - > with lettuce and cottage cheese for "dinner" about > 7pm. I think when I have finished that i'll be > properly bored already and have an early night. That reminds me of the opening scene of Whiskey Galore where the narrator says the islanders practise traditional forms of amusement as a dozen children, each one slightly shorter than the one before, run out of a cottage...

EDF is renamed South-East London Forum when it's discovered the majority of members don't actually live there. The Castle is turned into another retro-ironic bar with a stupid bloody name. The carwash outside Dulwich Hamlets is replaced by a McDonalds drive-through. The number of peak-time trains that run on time to or from London Bridge remains zero. The Crown & Greyhound fails to reopen on time.